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The problem involves using a graphics calculator to solve the polynomial equation 2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 = 0, which is part of an introductory calculus assignment. Participants are discussing whether the task is to find the zeros of the function or to solve for x, and how to effectively use a graphics calculator for this purpose.

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  • Some participants express uncertainty about the wording of the problem and whether finding zeros is equivalent to solving for x. Others discuss the process of using a graphics calculator to identify x-intercepts and zeros of the function.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing their interpretations and approaches. Some have provided guidance on using a TI-84 calculator to find zeros, while others are clarifying terminology regarding zeros and roots. There is a mix of interpretations being explored, but no explicit consensus has been reached.

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There is mention of confusion stemming from the wording of the problem, as well as a note on the importance of proper mathematical notation in discussions. Participants are also reflecting on the nature of polynomial equations and their properties.

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Hey guys I was given an assignment as part of my intro to calculus course, but I am not sure what the question is actually asking me to find or solve

Homework Statement


use a graphics calculator to solve the following equation
2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 = 0

am I looking for the zeros of the function or am I trying to solve for x? and how do I use a graphics calculator to solve this sort of equation? I can solve for x algebraically and I can use my calculator to find the x-intercepts but I don't know how to solve this problem with my calculator.

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the zero's of the functions are y= 0 when x= -2, 0.5 and 3 but I don't think this is what the question is asking for??
 
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5ymmetrica1 said:
Hey guys I was given an assignment as part of my intro to calculus course, but I am not sure what the question is actually asking me to find or solve

Homework Statement


use a graphics calculator to solve the following equation
2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 = 0

am I looking for the zeros of the function or am I trying to solve for x? and how do I use a graphics calculator to solve this sort of equation? I can solve for x algebraically and I can use my calculator to find the x-intercepts but I don't know how to solve this problem with my calculator.

The Attempt at a Solution


I know the zero's of the functions are y= 0 when x= -2, 0.5 and 3 but I don't think this is what the question is asking for??

Well when you have a question like this you will have to factor it out and see where it equals zero ( which values of x make it equal to zero).
 
ok so factorising its zeros I would get
(x-3)(2x-1)(x+2)
 
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or is it...

(x-3)(2x-1)(x+2)
---> (2x2 - x - 6x + 3)(x + 2)
---> (2x3 - 7x - 3)(x + 2)
---> 2x3 + 4x2 - 7x2 - 14x + 3x + 6 = 0

THEN by collecting like terms I get the original equation...

---> 2x3 - 3x2 - 11x + 6 = 0

so this equation has roots of x= -2, 0.5 and 3
 
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5ymmetrica1 said:
use a graphics calculator to solve the following equation
2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 = 0

am I looking for the zeros of the function or am I trying to solve for x?
They mean the same thing.

5ymmetrica1 said:
and how do I use a graphics calculator to solve this sort of equation?
Assuming you have a TI-84, graph the function, change the window so that all x-intercepts are shown, and hit [2ND]->[TRACE]->Zero. Provide the left and right bounds, and you'll get the zero. Repeat the process as needed until you get all zeros. Check the calculator's manual.
 
5ymmetrica1 said:
or is it...

(x-3)(2x-1)(x+2)
---> (2x2 - x - 6x + 3)(x + 2)
---> (2x3 - 7x - 3)(x + 2)
---> 2x3 + 4x2 - 7x2 - 14x + 3x + 6 = 0
You started with an equation, so each subsequent step should involve an equation. The two sides of an equation are separated by =, not --->.
5ymmetrica1 said:
THEN by collecting like terms I get the original equation...

---> 2x3 - 3x2 - 11x + 6 = 0

so this equation has roots of x= -2, 0.5 and 3
 
5ymmetrica1 said:
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Homework Statement


use a graphics calculator to solve the following equation
2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 = 0

am I looking for the zeros of the function or am I trying to solve for x? and how do I use a graphics calculator to solve this sort of equation? I can solve for x algebraically and I can use my calculator to find the x-intercepts but I don't know how to solve this problem with my calculator.
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This is essentially what eumyang said, but I'll say it again:

Solving the equation, [itex]\displaystyle \ \ 2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 = 0 \,, \[/itex] for x,

is equivalent to finding the zeros of the function defined by [itex]\displaystyle \ \ f(x) = 2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 \ .[/itex]
 
SammyS said:
This is essentially what eumyang said, but I'll say it again:

Solving the equation, [itex]\displaystyle \ \ 2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 = 0 \,, \[/itex] for x,

is equivalent to finding the zeros of the function defined by [itex]\displaystyle \ \ f(x) = 2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6 \ .[/itex]

Which is the same as finding the *roots* of ##2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6.##
 
And all this, I like to reflect, all polynomial equation solving, a lot of algebra, what fraction would you say Ray Vickson or anyone, of algebra, of math, of useful math? - is down to the peculiar property of 0, the only number that remains itself when multiplied by every other number.
 
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thanks for the replies everyone, as expected it was as simple as using my TI to find the zeros as eumyang mentioned which I know how to do. It was the wording of the problem which confused me as I was not sure what I was "solving"

Usually problems of this kind that I have encountered previously are worded something along the lines of "find the zeros of the function y = ...... or f(x) = ........"

and mark44 I know that each side of the equation is separated by =, the ---> was simply an quick easy way of saying "goes to", it's bad mathematical notation I know so in future Ill be sure to use the correct symbols when posting on the forum :)

thanks again everyone
-5ym
 
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Ray Vickson said:
Which is the same as finding the *roots* of ##2x^3 - 3x^2 - 11x + 6.##
No, technically, it is not. Functions, including polynomials, have "zeros" but only equations have "roots".
 
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