Algebra Question: Simplifying Ration Questions

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The discussion revolves around simplifying a rational expression involving polynomial factoring, specifically the expression (6x² + 7x + 2) / (4x² - 1). Participants are providing guidance on how to approach factoring the numerator and denominator, with a focus on techniques suitable for high school algebra.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about where to start with factoring the numerator and seeks guidance.
  • Another suggests trying to factor the numerator using specific binomial forms and notes the importance of finding a common factor with the denominator.
  • A different participant explains the denominator can be factored as a difference of squares and offers a method for factoring the numerator by equating terms after assuming a binomial form.
  • One participant encourages the original poster to consider that the problem is likely designed to have a straightforward solution, suggesting that one of the factors of the denominator should work in the numerator.
  • Another adds that the goal of factoring is to simplify the fraction by canceling common factors, reiterating the importance of checking if the factors of the denominator are present in the numerator.
  • A participant mentions shortcuts for recognizing common factoring patterns and discusses methods for checking if the numerator can be factored, including using the quadratic formula or completing the square.
  • The original poster acknowledges the help and indicates they will attempt the problem and return with an answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods of factoring and the importance of finding common factors, but there is no consensus on the specific steps to take for the numerator, as different approaches are suggested.

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Some participants reference factoring techniques that may not be familiar to the original poster, indicating a potential gap in foundational knowledge. There is also mention of various methods for factoring that may depend on the specific form of the polynomial.

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Alright It's been a while since I did algebra and now I'm getting back into it in honors algebra 2 (shakes head) [high school]. Anyways I got a question on factoring numerators.

[tex]6x^{2} + 7x + 2[/tex]
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[tex]4x^{2} - 1[/tex]

I don't know where to start, if someone can be a guidance this would be much appreciated I was trying to http://www.analyzemath.com/Rational_expressions/Simp_rat_expre.html" but the walk through didn't really show me how they got to the next step.

Thanks in advanced
 
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Try factoring. If you find a binomial which occurs in both the numerator and the denominator then you can eliminate as a factor of 1.

For the numerator, start tries using:
(2x + ?)(3x + ?), and if that does not help, try (6x + ?)(x + ?);
but what you really will rely on is the presence of (2x+1) in numerator AND denominator. Otherwise, you will not be able to simplify the given expression.
 
For the bottom, it's just the difference of squares factorization. a^2 - b^2 = (a-b)(a+b). The top is a bit trickier. But if you're new to factoring, maybe this will help.

Set the numerator equal to (rx + s)(tx + v). Now multiply out this expression and equate its terms to the terms of the numerator. You should be able to find suitable r,s,t,v and then you'll have the factorization. Don't forget to multiply out to check.
 
Welcome to PF!

Lamonte said:
[tex]6x^{2} + 7x + 2[/tex]
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[tex]4x^{2} - 1[/tex]

I don't know where to start,

Hi Lamonte ! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Useful tip: This isn't real life, it's an exam question, so it probably has an easy answer.

You know that they want you find a common factor, and you can probably see exactly what the two factors of the denominator are.

So just try both of them in the numerator … if it's a sensible exam question, then one of them should work! :wink:
 
To add to tiny-tim's answer- even in "real life" where problems don't always have easy answers, since you are trying to simplify the fraction, the only reason you want to factor is to be able to cancel. You should be able to see quickly that 4x2- 1 factors as (2x-1)(2x+ 1). Then try each of those as a factor of 6x2+ 7x+ 2. If it is a factor, good, you can factor and cancel. If neither is a factor, also good. You know that cannot be simplified.
 
As have been stated, the denominator should be easily factored using the following shortcuts (which you should have learned, but might have forgotten if it was a while ago):

[tex](a-b)^2 = a^2 - 2ab + b^2[/tex]
[tex](a+b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2[/tex]
[tex](a+b)(a-b) = a^2 -b^2[/tex]

These things come up over and over, you need to practice so that you spot them easily.

As for the discriminant: First, I check to see if the expression is a complete square. If it is not, then I factor it using the quadratic equation. You can also factor by completing the square, but that is just more writing. It is good to know both ways though, since when you work with only variables it makes more sense to complete (as a way to derive the quadratic equation from Ax^2 + Bx + C, for example).

I assume you remember what the terms I used mean, if you don't then you probably need to backtrack a bit to freshen your memory on earlier topics.

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Thanks for the help guys will give it a try and return with an answer
 

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