Algebra Question: Where Does the 2 Come From?

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the factor of 2 in the equation for the derivative of the function \( u \) with respect to \( r \) in the context of general relativity. The user initially derives \( \frac{du}{dr} = (1 - \frac{2M}{r})^{-1} \), while Sean M. Carroll's 1997 lecture notes state \( \frac{du}{dr} = 2(1 - \frac{2M}{r})^{-1} \). The discrepancy arises because the user is taking a partial derivative with respect to \( r \) while holding \( t \) constant, which differs from the context of Carroll's derivation involving outgoing null geodesics. The correct approach involves setting \( ds^2 = 0 \) and recognizing the nature of the geodesic being analyzed.

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Probably a really stupid question..

##u=t+r+2M ln(\frac{r}{2M}-1) ##
From this I get
##\frac{du}{dr}=(1-\frac{2M}{r})^{-1}##

But, 1997 Sean M. Carroll lectures notes get ##\frac{du}{dr}=2(1-\frac{2M}{r})^{-1}## . (equation 7.71).

No idea where this factor of 2 comes from.

Thanks
 
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binbagsss said:
##u=t+r+2M ln(\frac{r}{2M}-1)##

From this I get

##\frac{du}{dr}=(1-\frac{2M}{r})^{-1}##

First, ##u## is not just a function of ##r##, so what you are doing here is taking a partial derivative ##\partial u / \partial r## with ##t## held constant. That is, you are looking at how ##u## changes with ##r## along a curve of constant ##t##. This is not the same as what Carroll is doing in the equation you refer to (see below).

Second, you might want to check your algebra; the result you are getting for ##\partial u / \partial r## does not look right.

binbagsss said:
1997 Sean M. Carroll lectures notes get ##\frac{du}{dr}=2(1-\frac{2M}{r})^{-1}## . (equation 7.71).

That equation is a solution for an outgoing null geodesic; it is not the same thing as you were trying to derive in what I quoted above. It is derived by setting ##ds^2 = 0## in equation 7.69 (and also setting ##d\Omega^2 = 0## so the curve is purely radial) and rearranging the resulting equation into an equation for ##du / dr##. (Note that there are two ways of doing this, corresponding to whether ##dr## is positive or negative for a positive ##du##. If ##dr## is positive, we have an outgoing geodesic; if it is negative, we have an ingoing geodesic. That's why Carroll gives two solutions in equation 7.71.)
 
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