Algebraic Manipulation of Euler's Identity Leads to a Strange Result

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The discussion revolves around the manipulation of Euler's identity and the implications of logarithmic properties when applied to negative numbers, particularly focusing on the expression ln[-1] and its consequences in both real and complex domains.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant explores the implications of rewriting Euler's identity, suggesting that manipulating ln[-1] leads to contradictory results, specifically that iπ appears to equal 0 when k is an even number.
  • Another participant argues that ln(-1) cannot be defined in the real number system, leading to the conclusion that applying logarithmic properties to undefined values results in nonsensical outcomes.
  • A third participant notes that in the complex domain, the logarithm is multivalued, indicating that it does not behave like a standard function, which complicates the discussion around ln[-1].

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of taking logarithms of negative numbers and the implications of such manipulations. There is no consensus on the interpretations of these mathematical properties.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of applying logarithmic properties to negative numbers, particularly in the context of real versus complex analysis. The multivalued nature of the logarithm in the complex domain is also noted but not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying complex analysis, logarithmic functions, or the implications of Euler's identity in mathematical contexts.

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I was playing around with Euler's identity the other day. I came across something that seems contradictory to everything else I know, but I can't really explain it.

I started with

e^{i\pi} = -1.

I rewrote this as

ln[-1] = i\pi

Multiplying by a constant, we have

kln[-1] = ki\pi

and using log properties I arrived at

ln[-1^{k}] = ki\pi

Now if I set k equal to any even number, I have

ln[1] = 0 = ki\pi

This seems to imply that i\pi is 0, however it is not. Furthermore, any even value of k gives the same answer. Why is this?
 
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ln(-1) = (2/2)*ln(-1) = (1/2)*2*ln(-1) = (1/2)*ln(-1^2) = (1/2)*ln(1) = (1/2)*0 = 0

Therefore, ln(-1) = 0.

In order for properties of logs to work, you must be taking the log of a valid number. You can not take the log of a negative number, therefore, when you apply the properties of logs to something that is undefined, you get ludicrousness.
 
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Thanks!
 

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