Energy conservation in an alpha-scattering experiment

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The discussion revolves around calculating the distance of closest approach in an alpha-scattering experiment involving a 6 MeV alpha particle and a gold nucleus. The original poster attempts to relate kinetic and potential energy to find this distance but encounters discrepancies in their calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of energy units and the proper charge of the alpha particle. Questions are raised about the calculations and whether all units were consistently applied. There is also mention of conservation of momentum at closest approach.

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Some participants have provided guidance on potential errors in the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding unit conversions and the charge of the alpha particle. The original poster plans to revisit their calculations based on this feedback.

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There is a mention of the original poster's confusion regarding alerts for replies, indicating a possible issue with engagement in the discussion. The problem context includes the need for precise unit handling in physics calculations.

Krushnaraj Pandya
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In scattering experiment, find distance of closest approach if a 6 MeV alpha particle is used

2. The attempt at a solution
initially KE of alpha particle is 6 x 10^6 x e joules and 0 PE, finally its PE is kq1q2/d, k=9 x 10^9, q1=4e, q2=Ze=79e (assuming gold), d is distance of closest approach, e is charge on electron. Plugging in the values gives an incorrect answer. The correct answer (far from it) is 2 x 10^(-14) m. Is there a mistake I'm making?
 
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Which answer did you get and can you show the steps?
At closest approach both the alpha particle and the gold nucleus will move a bit (conservation of momentum!) but this is a small effect.
 
Your approach is correct and I get your “correct” answer. I see only 1 definite mistake, the charge of an alpha particle isn’t 4. However I suspect you big problem is units. You have k in SI units and PE in MeV and two charges in electron charges. I’m sure you converted some of them, but did you get all of them? Is your answer off by 10^19? If so, you missed one.
 
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Anyway, I'll be back in a while and show my work
 
Cutter Ketch said:
Your approach is correct and I get your “correct” answer. I see only 1 definite mistake, the charge of an alpha particle isn’t 4. However I suspect you big problem is units. You have k in SI units and PE in MeV and two charges in electron charges. I’m sure you converted some of them, but did you get all of them? Is your answer off by 10^19? If so, you missed one.
Right, its 2e. Thank you for pointing it out, I'll try that again
 
mfb said:
Which answer did you get and can you show the steps?
At closest approach both the alpha particle and the gold nucleus will move a bit (conservation of momentum!) but this is a small effect.
After correcting the charge, I'll redo my calculations and post here within the next 24 hrs
 

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