Alternating Series Convergence Test

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the conditions for convergence of alternating series, specifically examining the necessity of the requirement that the terms of the series must be decreasing. Participants explore the implications of the convergence test as outlined in calculus literature, questioning whether the decreasing condition is essential if the limit of the terms approaches zero.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that the condition requiring the terms to be decreasing is unnecessary if the limit of the terms approaches zero.
  • Others present counterexamples, such as sequences where the terms do not decrease but still converge, to challenge the necessity of the decreasing condition.
  • One participant mentions that the series involving sin²(n)/n converges despite not being monotone decreasing, raising questions about the relevance of the first condition.
  • Another participant emphasizes that any convergence test will have exceptions, suggesting that the alternating series test is useful for certain cases but not universally applicable.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of the first condition, with participants questioning its purpose if all series with terms approaching zero are presumed to converge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the necessity of the decreasing condition for convergence. While some believe it is essential, others argue that convergence can occur without it, leading to an unresolved discussion on the topic.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific sequences and their behaviors, indicating that the discussion involves nuanced mathematical reasoning and examples that may not fit neatly into established convergence tests.

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According to my calculus book two parts to testing an alternating series for convergence. Let s = Ʃ(-1)n bn. The first is that bn + 1 < bn. The second is that the limn\rightarrow∞ bn = 0. However, isn't the first condition unnecessary since bn must be decreasing if the limit is zero. I can't think of any example where the limit will be zero and the function is increasing (assuming bn is not negative which would not really make sense since the series is alternating).
 
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What if ##b_{2n} = 0## and ##b_{2n+1} = \frac{1}{2n+1}##. That will give a divergent series.
 
\frac{sin^{2}(n)}{n} is not monotone decreasing.
 
Yes but although sin2(x)/x is not always decreasing the series still converges. I just don't really see the point of the first test. Especially since this series seems to converge and is at times increasing.
 
cp255 said:
Yes but although sin2(x)/x is not always decreasing the series still converges. I just don't really see the point of the first test. Especially since this series seems to converge and is at times increasing.

A test will never work for all series. For any convergence test, there will be a convergent series that is not described by the test.

The alternating series test is handy because it says, for example, that

\sum \frac{(-1)^n}{n}

converges. Furthermore, it gives a handy approximation that if ##\sum (-1)^n b_n## is your series, then it converges to x and

\left|x - \sum_{n=1}^k (-1) b_n\right|\leq b_k

So it tells you how close you are to your limit.
 
cp255 said:
Yes but although sin2(x)/x is not always decreasing the series still converges. I just don't really see the point of the first test. Especially since this series seems to converge and is at times increasing.
You asked for a sequence which is not strictly monotone decreasing but still satisfies ##\lim_{n\rightarrow \infty}a_n = 0##. The above is such an example. Note that not strictly monotone decreasing doesn't imply strictly monotone increasing. A sequence can be neither monotone increasing nor decreasing.

cp255 said:
However, isn't the first condition unnecessary since bn must be decreasing if the limit is zero.
 
You asked for a sequence which is not strictly monotone decreasing but still satisfies limn→∞an=0. The above is such an example. Note that not strictly monotone decreasing doesn't imply strictly monotone increasing. A sequence can be neither monotone increasing nor decreasing.

I understand this, but what I am wondering is why my book says that each successive term must be smaller than the last. Shouldn't all alternating series in which bn goes to 0 as n approaches infinity be convergent? If this is true then what is the point of the first condition?
 
cp255 said:
I understand this, but what I am wondering is why my book says that each successive term must be smaller than the last. Shouldn't all alternating series in which bn goes to 0 as n approaches infinity be convergent? If this is true then what is the point of the first condition?

See post 2 for a counterexample.
 

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