Alternative Geometric Proof ideas?

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The discussion revolves around finding alternative geometric proofs for the assertion that the largest triangle that can be inscribed in a circle is an equilateral triangle, specifically focusing on proofs that do not rely on calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a calculus-based proof that maximizes the area of a triangle inscribed in a circle by showing that the area reaches its maximum when all angles are equal to 60 degrees.
  • Another participant proposes a formula for the area of a triangle in a circle and suggests that if the sum of two angles is fixed, the area is maximized when those angles are equal.
  • A different participant expresses confusion about the fixed angle condition and attempts to derive the maximum area using differentiation, indicating a lengthy process.
  • Another participant clarifies the fixed angle condition and argues that making two angles equal leads to a larger area, implying that non-equilateral triangles cannot be the largest.
  • One participant suggests a simpler proof that avoids trigonometry, using geometric reasoning about the distances from a point to a line to argue that the largest triangle must be equilateral.
  • A later reply expresses appreciation for the geometric proof approach and indicates it aligns with what they were seeking.

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Participants express various methods and reasoning for proving that the largest inscribed triangle is equilateral, with some favoring calculus-based approaches and others advocating for geometric reasoning. There is no consensus on a single proof method, and multiple competing views remain.

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Some participants note limitations in their understanding of certain terms and conditions, such as the fixed angle condition, and the discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with the mathematical concepts involved.

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The question from my textbook was "Give a complete proof that the largest triangle that can be inscribed in a circle is an equilateral triangle ", largest meaning that with the greatest area.

I found a proof that finds the area of the general triangle in terms of the angles, and through quite a bit of calculus trickery showed that it reached a maximum when all angles were equal to 60 degrees, ie Equilateral triangle, but my teacher said that there was a different, geometric based proof that didn't require calculus at all, though he could not produce it. This question came from a chapter of the textbook that was past basic Differentiation, but not yet up to the derivatives of trig functions, so there probably should be a more elementary proof right? If anyone has any ideas, please share !
 
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Hi Gib Z! :smile:

You can easily prove that the area of a triangle in a circle of radius r is 4r²sinAsinBsinC, or r²(sin2A + sin2B + sin2C).

Now, if A+B is fixed, then sinAsinB = cos(A-B)/2 - cos(A+B)/2, or sin2A + sin2B = 2sin(A+B)cos(A_B), which are both obviously greatest for A = B.

Now fill in the gaps and make good! :biggrin:
 
Umm. I don't really understand the "If A+B is fixed" part. Basically, I got the same formula and then, since C= pi - (A+B), the formula could be expressed as 4r^2 sin A sin B sin (A+B).

Then I held B constant and differentiated, showing the maximum was when 2a+b = pi. Then I subbed that back into the formula, and maximized for b again. That took quite a while :(
 
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Umm. I don't really understand the "If A+B is fixed" part.

That means C is fixed, but you're free to change A and B … and the result is that A = B is best.

If a triangle is not equilateral, then two of the angles must be unequal (A and B, say).

So making them equal would be better.

So a non-equilateral triangle cannot be the largest. :smile:
 
Ahh I see! Thanks. And I think I ran into a similar expression using my slightly different method, perhaps I can just show its obviously a maximum rather than use calculus. Thank you!
 
Just thought of a much simpler proof …

forget trigonometry :biggrin:

suppose the largest triangle is not equilateral, then two sides must be unequal …

let the vertex where they meet be P, and the opposite side be QR …

Let S be where the bisector of QR meets the larger arc QR.

Then S is clearly further from QR than P is …

and area = QR x height …

so areaSQR > areaPQR.

So the largest triangle must be equilateral. :smile:

EDIT: interestingly, if you follow this procedure, of progressively making isoceles triangles, starting with angle A, the first two steps give angles 90º - A/2 and 45º + A/4, and after 2n steps 45º(1 + 1/4 + … + (1/4)n) + A/4n, of which the limit is 45º x 4/3 = 60º:smile:
 
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Awesome! That was the sort of thing I was looking for =D. Thanks heaps!
 

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