Proof that lattice points can't form an equilateral triangle

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The discussion centers on the proof that lattice points cannot form an equilateral triangle. Participants explore various approaches to this problem, including geometric constructions and the use of trigonometric properties, while addressing flaws in initial proofs and suggesting alternative methods.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof using coordinates and the tangent of 60 degrees, arguing that the distance from a point to a line must be an integer, which leads to a contradiction due to irrationality.
  • Another participant suggests using the Pythagorean theorem to construct the triangle, proposing specific coordinates for the vertices while maintaining integer values for the coordinates.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while lattice points can be used as vertices, the sides of the equilateral triangle may not have integer measures, raising questions about the validity of the proof.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of selecting specific vertices and the resulting distances, questioning whether the third vertex can also be a lattice point under these conditions.
  • Another participant reiterates that fixing two vertices leads to a third vertex that will not be an integer, thus cannot be a lattice point.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the initial proof and the methods used to demonstrate the impossibility of forming an equilateral triangle with lattice points. No consensus is reached on a definitive proof or approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the reliance on irrational numbers in trigonometric functions and the implications for the lengths of triangle sides, which may not be integers. The discussion highlights the complexity of the problem and the various assumptions made in different proofs.

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From Courant's Differential and Integral Calculus p.13,
In an ordinary system of rectangular co-ordinates, the points for which both co-ordinates are integers are called lattice points. Prove that a triangle whose vertices are lattice points cannot be equilateral.

Proof: Let ##A=(0,0), B=(\frac{a}{2},b), C=(a,0)## be points in a rectangular coordinate system where ##a## and ##b## are integers. Equilateral triangles have angles 60° at every corner, and we know that ##tan(60)=\sqrt3##. So, the distance from the point ##B## to the line ##\bar {AC}## is ##\frac{a}{2}tan(60) = \frac{\sqrt3}{2}a## which is an irrational number and contradicts the fact that the distance from the point ##B## to the line ##\bar {AC}## is an integer.

But according to other post and resources this proof is flawed. Can anyone help me with this?
 
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Have you tried to prove using the Pythagorean theorem?

Construct the triangle with sides 2a in length and height b?

The A vertex is at (0,0) and the B vertex is at (a,b) and the C vertex is at (2a,0)

This preserves a and b as integers and using the Pythagorean theorem removes the need for the tangent.
 
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jedishrfu said:
Have you tried to prove using the Pythagorean theorem?

Construct the triangle with sides 2a in length and height b?

The A vertice is at (0,0) and the B vertice is at (a,b) and the C vertice is at (2a,0)

This preserves a and b as integers and using the Pythagorean theorem removes the need for the tangent.
Actually, I want to use the hint that Courant gave "Hint: Use the irrationality of ##sin(60)=\frac{\sqrt3}{2}##". I used tan(60) but the idea is the same, what does he want me to do?
 
I think I see the flaw now. Basically you want to use lattice points as the vertices that doesn't mean the the sides of the constructed equilateral triangle will have integer measure though only that the sides are all equal in measure.

You could select two vertices as A at (0,0) and B at (1,1) so that the side of the proposed equilateral triangle is ##\sqrt{2}## and you have to show that the third vertex cannot be a lattice point.

For your proof then choose A to be (0,0) and B to be (a,b) where a and b are integer values and then determine the third lattice point in terms of these two.
 
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jedishrfu said:
I think I see the flaw now. Basically you want to use lattice points as the vertices that doesn't mean the the sides of the constructed equilateral triangle will have integer measure though only that the sides are all equal in measure.

You could select two vertices as A at (0,0) and B at (1,1) so that the side of the proposed equilateral triangle is ##\sqrt{2}## and you have to show that the third vertex cannot be a lattice point.

For your proof then choose A to be (0,0) and B to be (a,b) where a and b are integer values and then determine the third lattice point in terms of these two.
How come it cannot be a lattice point? Suppose the side ##\bar {AB}## is ##\sqrt2##, then the second side should be ##\sqrt2## also but then the third would not be ##\sqrt2## which shows that it is not an equilateral triangle.
 
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You've started with the premise that you have an equilateral triangle and you fix a side via (0,0) and (a,b) vertices and then construct the third vertex from them. The third vertex of the equilateral triangle coordinates won't be integers and hence it can't be a lattice point.
 

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