Am I Calculating the Riemann Tensor Correctly?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the Riemann curvature tensor in the context of differential geometry and general relativity. Participants are examining the commutation of derivatives and the application of the Christoffel symbols in their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are comparing their methods of calculating the curvature tensor, particularly focusing on the commutator relationships involving derivatives and Christoffel symbols. There is confusion regarding the signs and terms that arise during the expansion of the commutators.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and seek confirmation on their understanding of the commutation of derivatives and the role of Christoffel symbols. Others provide insights into the nature of the calculations and suggest that the confusion may stem from differing interpretations of the multiplication rules applied to the terms.

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Participants note that there may be missing information or assumptions that could clarify the discrepancies in their calculations. The discussion highlights the complexity of the mathematical framework and the potential for misunderstanding in the application of the rules governing derivatives and curvature.

  • #31
See, I was always taught a certain order to multiply out brackets.

This is what I do, the dashes represents the order of multiplication this time:

(a'+b)(c'+d)

(a'+b)(c+d')

(a+b')(c'+d)

(a+b')(c+d')

This is what susskind does:

(a'+b)(c'+d)

the terms cancel. Naturally.

Then for only the RHS (where the minus indicates to different sides) ---*** its this bit I don't agree with because of my own order.

(a+b')(c'+d)

then for the left he does

(a'+b)(c+d')

Which is not the kind of order I am used to. Then he goes on to multiply the last lot out like I would

(a+b')(c+d')
 
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  • #32
Well, like I said earlier, summation commutes, so you just need to get used to people writing down their sums in different order...
 
  • #33
clamtrox said:
Well, like I said earlier, summation commutes, so you just need to get used to people writing down their sums in different order...

Can you give me an example please, like show me the math written out where the summation is commuting all over the place. I have used the notation

A_{[\mu}B_{\nu]} before, just never seen it in its full form. How would these indices commute, thank you.
 
  • #34
The fact susskind has not done this has only caused more confusion for me, for anyone I'd presume that would like to follow the math...
 
  • #35
For example, 1+2=2+1=3. This is what commuting means.
 

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