Am I overthinking this? (Noise cancelling headphones for airplane noise)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of wave shifting in the context of noise-cancelling headphones and their effectiveness against airplane noise. Participants are exploring the implications of phase shifts in wave functions, particularly in relation to achieving destructive interference.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are questioning the effects of shifting a wave by different amounts (2π, π, π/2) and whether these shifts yield different results. There are suggestions to visualize the waves involved and to consider the implications of phase shifts on wave behavior.

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The discussion is active with multiple interpretations being explored regarding wave shifts and their effects. Some participants have offered guidance on visualizing the problem, while others are questioning the assumptions made about the wave equations and their properties.

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There is mention of relevant equations and constraints regarding the variables allowed in the answers, indicating that the discussion is framed within specific homework guidelines. Participants are also addressing potential misunderstandings about the nature of wave functions and their representations.

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Homework Statement
Am I over thinking this question
Relevant Equations
See below (shown in the question)
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Can I just shift the wave over by 2Pi to get the opposite wave?
 

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Thickmax said:
Homework Statement:: Am I over thinking this question
Relevant Equations:: See below (shown in the question)

Can I just shift the wave over by 2Pi to get the opposite wave?
How will a shift of 2pi give you anything different from the original wave?
 
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haruspex said:
How will a shift of 2pi give you anything different from the original wave?
Shift it by 1pi then?
 
Thickmax said:
Shift it by 1pi then?
Pi/2?
 
I'd suggest drawing s(t), sheadphones and their sum.
 
Thickmax said:
Shift it by 1pi then?

Thickmax said:
Pi/2?
Don't just guess. Figure it out.
 
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the answer is negative the same equation...start points and end points will be the same?

Shifting the wave will move the start and end points by either (2pi, pi or pi/2)
 
I repeat my original hint: draw s(t) and shead(t) (3, 4 of them?) and add. One of them should be close to zero.
 
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Thickmax said:
the answer is negative the same equation
Right, so that is a valid answer to the question.
Thickmax said:
Shifting the wave will move the start and end points by either (2pi, pi or pi/2)
Not sure what you mean by that. The equation does not have endpoints. It expresses the amplitude for all times and all locations.
If you mean shifting the entire wave, yes, there is a phase shift that is exactly equivalent to negating the expression: ##\sin(\theta)=-\sin(\theta+\phi)## for some ##\phi##. You really should be able to say immediately what that value is! Consider the sines of 0°, 90°, 180°, 270°, 360°.

There is one other error in your attempt in post #1. It tells you which variables are allowed in the answer, but you have used one not in the list.
 
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