Amount of work in displacing a brick

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done in displacing a brick from a horizontal position to a vertical position. The brick has specific dimensions and mass, and participants are exploring the implications of these factors on the work calculation.

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  • Participants are questioning the initial calculations of work done, particularly the distance used in the formula. There is a focus on the center of mass (COM) and how it affects the work calculation. Some suggest that the height difference of the COM should be considered, while others express uncertainty about using COM in this context.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on considering the COM, while others are debating the necessity of this approach. There is no explicit consensus on the method to be used for calculating work.

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Participants are navigating constraints related to homework rules, which discourage providing complete solutions before the original poster has attempted the problem. There is also a mention of the brick's density and its implications, which adds complexity to the discussion.

  • #31
Delta2 said:
ou understand why we take the position of COM and why only the difference in height of the COM is what matters? (
please do explain.
 
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  • #32
The detailed answer is more mathematics than physics and is using integral calculus, maybe there is this explanation in your textbook.

In short we can consider that the mass of a rigid body is all concentrated at the COM position in a single material point and do the work calculations like we have a single point.

It is only the difference in height that matters because the work is actually an integral of a dot product of the weight and the displacement, and because the weight we consider it to be pure vertical, all that matters is the vertical displacement, that is the difference in height.
 
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  • #33
Delta2 said:
The detailed answer is more mathematics than physics and is using integral calculus, maybe there is this explanation in your textbook.
It is in future chapters. Right now its work,energy and circular motion.
 
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  • #34
Delta2 said:
It is only the difference in height that matters because the work is actually an integral of a dot product of the weight and the displacement, and because the weight we consider it to be pure vertical, all that matters is the vertical displacement, that is the difference in height.
Can I say because the gravity is conservative in nature so its work depends only on the initial and final points not the path taken by the COM?
 

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  • #35
The reason it is really useful here is that the center of mass (and hence gravity) for a uniform body with nice symmetry is easy to figure out. In this case it is just the "center" of the brick. For slightly more complicated shapes one often remembers the location.
 
  • #36
rudransh verma said:
Can I say because the gravity is conservative in nature so its work depends only on the initial and final points not the path taken by the COM?
Yes . To be a little bit more accurate it depends only on the potential energy of the initial and final position. That's why @caz instructed you to find the potential energy.
 
  • #37
As an exercise, write down an equation for the gravitational potential energy of the brick in your problem.
Hint: It involves a simple integral over the volume of the brick.
Hint2: How would you calculate the mass of the brick using a constant density and an integral? Think about why this works.
 
  • #38
Delta2 said:
To be a little bit more accurate it depends only on the potential energy of the initial and final position.
I mean since the work is conservative in nature so W12=-W21 where W12 is the work from traveling from point 1 to 2. And any path taken by the body results in same W since in conservative forces W does not depend on distance but displacement of the body.
 
  • #39
rudransh verma said:
I mean since the work is conservative in nature so W12=-W21 where W12 is the work from traveling from point 1 to 2. And any path taken by the body results in same W since in conservative forces W does not depend on distance but displacement of the body.
Be a bit careful on how you express yourself, I don't think I have heard the term conservative work but rather i have heard work of conservative force.

Also in conservative forces the work doesn't depend on the path but on the initial and starting positions. This is a consequence of the gradient theorem of vector calculus.
 
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  • #40
Where is this problem from? If it is from a book, include the edition.
 
  • #41
caz said:
Where is this problem from? If it is from a book, include the edition.
It’s a book you will never find. So stick to my postings in future. (Narayans AIEEE crash course vol.1)😎
 
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