Finding the average magnitude of the drag force

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The discussion centers on calculating the average magnitude of the drag force experienced by a saucer with a mass of 1.75 x 10^9 kg as it enters the atmosphere of PlanetX, where the gravitational field is 10.6 m/s². The saucer's initial speed is 460 m/s, and it decelerates to 110 m/s before crash-landing. The calculated drag force using the mechanical energy approach yielded 2.55 x 10^10 N, while the correct answer is 2.07 x 10^10 N. Participants emphasized the importance of using the drag force equation, D = (1/4) AV², for accurate results.

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  • Understanding of drag force equations, specifically D = (1/4) AV²
  • Familiarity with mechanical energy concepts in physics
  • Knowledge of momentum and its relation to force
  • Basic grasp of gravitational forces and their effects on objects
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  • Study the derivation and application of the drag force equation for various shapes
  • Learn about the conservation of momentum and its implications in collision scenarios
  • Explore the relationship between energy, work, and force in physics
  • Investigate the effects of varying forces on deceleration and average force calculations
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This discussion is beneficial for physics students, aerospace engineers, and anyone involved in dynamics and fluid mechanics, particularly those analyzing drag forces in atmospheric entry scenarios.

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Homework Statement



A saucer of mass 1.75x10^9 enters
1.the gravitational field of PlanetX and enters its atmosphere; the gravitational field of the planet is 10.6 m/s2 and is considered uniform throughout the 80-km thick atmosphere.
If the saucer enters the atmosphere at 460 m/s and slows down to 110 m/s before its crash-landing, what is the average magnitude of the drag force (gravity cannot be neglected)?
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Homework Equations



drag for disk, D = (1/4) AV^2
W = Total Mechanical Energy

The Attempt at a Solution



E1 = (1/2)m1Vi^2 + mgd
E2 = 0 + 0

So W = (1/2)m1V1+mgd

Because W = Fd

W/d = F

2.55 x10^10

However the correct answer is listed as 2.07 x 10^10 N

I am not sure if my method of using mechanical energy is correct., Or wether I should be using the drag force equation to solve the problem
 
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rickyjoepr said:

Homework Statement



A saucer of mass 1.75x10^9 enters
1.the gravitational field of PlanetX and enters its atmosphere; the gravitational field of the planet is 10.6 m/s2 and is considered uniform throughout the 80-km thick atmosphere.
If the saucer enters the atmosphere at 460 m/s and slows down to 110 m/s before its crash-landing, what is the average magnitude of the drag force (gravity cannot be neglected)?
[/B]

Homework Equations



drag for disk, D = (1/4) AV^2
W = Total Mechanical Energy

The Attempt at a Solution



E1 = (1/2)m1Vi^2 + mgd
E2 = 0 + 0

So W = (1/2)m1V1+mgd

Because W = Fd

W/d = F

2.55 x10^10

However the correct answer is listed as 2.07 x 10^10 N

I am not sure if my method of using mechanical energy is correct., Or wether I should be using the drag force equation to solve the problem
The speed is not zero before the crash.
 
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rickyjoepr said:
W/d = F
The use of this to find an average force is not valid, though I realize it is what you are forced to use in this question.
Average force is defined as (change in momentum)/(elapsed time). If the force is not constant then (change in energy)/(distance) will not usually produce the same value.
 
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