Amplitude and period harmonic motion

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The discussion revolves around understanding the concepts of amplitude and period in the context of harmonic motion, specifically related to a mass-spring system. Participants are exploring the definitions and relationships between these terms as they apply to oscillatory motion.

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  • The original poster questions the definitions of period and amplitude, specifically whether the period is defined as the time taken for a complete oscillation and if amplitude is a fraction of the period. Other participants provide explanations regarding the motion of a mass on a spring and the mathematical representation of this motion, while also discussing the implications of initial conditions on the choice of trigonometric functions used to describe the motion.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts, providing clarifications and examples. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants offering insights into the relationship between amplitude, period, and the mathematical representation of harmonic motion. However, there is no explicit consensus reached on the definitions as questions remain open for further exploration.

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There is a mention of initial conditions affecting the choice of trigonometric functions in the equations of motion, indicating that assumptions about starting points may influence the discussion. Additionally, the original poster's confusion suggests a need for further clarification on these fundamental concepts.

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Im confused about what exactly is the period and amplitude of a spring... Is the period -during ocillation-from top to bottom back to top? or vice versa. and is the amplitude 1/4 of the period?


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Say you have a mass lying on a frictionless table. The mass is attached to a spring which is attached to the wall. The spring is initially unstretched. You stretch it out a certain distance from the initial position. We call that distance d. This is the amplitude of the oscillation. It has units of displacement (distance). Once you then let the spring go from that position, d, it will go back towards its initial, equilibrium position but pass through it and go to position -d on the other side. It will then swing all the way back to position +d, where you initially let it go. The time it takes for it to get back to where you initially let it go is called the period of the motion, T. This quantity has units of time. It depends on the rigidity of the spring and the mass which is attached.

Mathematically, the mass undergoes a motion given by

x(t)=d cos(\frac{2 \pi}{T} t)
 
My lab book says x=dsin[2pi/T(t)] ?
 
It depends on initial conditions. If you start the clock when it is at its biggest displacement (as in my example) then use cosine. This is because the cosine of zero is one. Thus, at time zero, the cosine functions is maximum, just like the distance in my example. That's why I used cosine. If I had started the clock when the mass was moving through the equilibrium position instead of the point of maximum displacement then I would have used sine since the sine of zero is zero.
 
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if your unsure of what AmericanForest means this picture and his explanation together makes a little more sense as you can see that there is a phase shift from cosine to sine
 
Awsome great clarification! Thanx
 

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