An electron in a magnetic field

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The problem involves calculating the angle between the velocity of an electron and a magnetic field, given the acceleration of the electron in the magnetic field. The context is rooted in electromagnetism, specifically the interaction of charged particles with magnetic fields.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the force equations related to charged particles in magnetic fields, questioning the use of formulas and the values substituted into them. There is a focus on the relationship between force, mass, charge, magnetic field strength, and velocity.

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The discussion has evolved with participants providing insights into potential errors in calculations and formula application. Some participants have identified missing variables and questioned the assumptions about the velocity of the electron. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, with various interpretations being explored.

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Participants note that the problem does not explicitly state whether the velocity remains constant throughout the scenario, which adds to the complexity of the calculations. There is also a mention of specific values for mass, charge, and magnetic field strength that are critical to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


The acceleration of an electron in a magnetic field of 87 mT at a certain point is 1.268×1017 m/s2. Calculate the angle between the velocity and magnetic field.


Homework Equations


F = q dot v cross B
F = qBsin(theta)
F/m = a

The Attempt at a Solution



I calculated the force on the electron using F/m = a rearranged to F = ma, then plugged F into F = qBsin(theta). I came up with sin-1(8243000) = theta, which is obviously incorrect.

Am I making a calculation error, or is there an error with my formulas?

In advance, any help is much appreciated and thank you.
 
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There is a mild error in your formula, at least a bit. You know F = ma, you know the mass of the electron (it's a constant) and you know a since it's given. You also know F = qB sin([tex]\theta[/tex]) and you know B (given) and q, constant. So you get [tex]sin^{-1}(\frac{ma}{qB}) = \theta[/tex]

Make sense?
 
Hmm, that is what I have above, at least I think.

Because when you substitute F = ma into F = qBsin(theta), you end up with ma = qbSin(theta), which can be arranged to sin-1(ma/qb) = Theta.

The values I used:
m = 9.1E-31 kg
q = 1.609E-19 C
B = 87E-3 T
a = 1.268E17

I still end up calculating 8243000, and when I try to take the inverse sine of that I get a domain error.
 
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I get a very similar number for ma/(qb). Is it possible you have a or B written down incorrectly?
 
I just checked again, and those are the correct values for a and B.
 
OH! F = qvBsin([tex]\theta[\tex]). You missed the v which should account for the 10<sup>7[\SUP] factor.</sup>[/tex]
 
Ah alright, that does make sense then. How would I go about calculating the velocity though?

qvb = F
F = ma
qvb = ma
v = 8243000

qvB/ma = sin(theta)

qvB/ma = 1, giving you theta = 90 degrees.

This unfortunately is incorrect.. =\
 
qvb = F? That's missing a sin(theta) isn't it, that would then explain how you get sin(theta) = 1.

I think there's an equation we're not looking at that we should be because otherwise we've two unknowns and only one question. Or perhaps velocity should be a given (which is how I see the question posed elsewhere online).
 
It mentions in an earlier part of the problem that the velocity is 9.40×106, however it doesn't specify if that remains constant throughout the problem.

Assuming for a moment that it does, let's try to plug that into the equation:

F = qvBsin(theta)
F = 1.609E-19 * 9.40×106 * 87E-3 (I'm assuming 87 mT = 87 E-3 T)

And, assuming that I can use F = ma (which I'm not sure about)

I can substitute ma = 9.1E-31 * 1.268E17, divide that by qvB

End up with sin-1(.8769)
= 61.27 deg

Which is the correct answer! Thanks a lot for your help, sorry I missed the velocity, probably would have helped from the beginning..
 
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No worries; for all the online things I've worked with like that all the givens are constant unless stated otherwise.

Welcome, and good work!
 

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