An electron moving across capacitor problem

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The problem involves an electron launched at a 45-degree angle from the positive plate of a parallel-plate capacitor, with a specified speed and landing distance. The objective is to determine the electric field strength within the capacitor and the minimum spacing between the plates.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of time of flight and the relationship between the forces acting on the electron and the electric field. There are attempts to set up equations of motion to eliminate time and find relationships between variables.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring different kinematic equations to relate the variables involved, while others are questioning the signs of acceleration and the implications of their calculations. There is an acknowledgment of potential errors in the approach, particularly regarding the signs of acceleration and the resulting values.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are attempting to clarify the assumptions regarding the forces acting on the electron and the setup of the equations.

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Homework Statement



An electron is launched at a 45 angle and a speed of 5.0*10^6 from the positive plate of the parallel-plate capacitor shown in the figure. The electron lands 4.0 cm away.

What is the electric field strength inside the capacitor?

What is the minimum spacing between the plates?

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Homework Equations



F = ma
Fon q = qE

The Attempt at a Solution



I am just wondering if this is correct?

Vo = 5x10^6 m/s

Voy = (sin45)(5x10^6 m/s) = 3.5x10^6 m/s

t = [tex]\frac{(0.04m)(\sqrt{2})}{5x10^6 m/s}[/tex] = 11x10^-9 s

0 = Voyt + (1/2)at^2

a = [tex]\frac{-(3.5x10^6 m/s)(11x10^-9 s)}{(\frac{1}{2})(11x10^-9 s)^2}[/tex]

= -6.4x10^-14 m/s^2

F=ma

=(9.11x10^-31 kg)(-6.4x10^14 m/s^2) = -5.8x10^-16 N

Fon q = qE

E = F/q = -5.8x10^-16 N / 1.60x10^-19 C

= -3.6x10^3 N/C

ymax = V0y/(2a)

= 3.5x10^6 m/s / [(2)(-6.4x10^-14 m/s^2)]

= 2x10^-9 m
 
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How did you calculate t? The time of flight is dependent on the force acting on the electron, and the electric field is not known. Try setting up equations of motion eliminating t.

Namely,

[tex]y=y_0+v_{y0}t+\frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex]

[tex]x=v_{x0}t[/tex]

Solve for t in the second equation then substitute into the first. This gives two unknowns y and a. Find another kinematic equation that has y and a. This will give two equations with two unknowns. You will than be able to solve for y and a (hint: let y = ymax). Check your equation for ymax.
 
Ok here is what I did:

[tex]y= y_0+v_{y0}t+\frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex]

[tex]x=v_{x0}t[/tex]

[tex]t=\frac{x}{v_{x0}}[/tex]

[tex]y= y_0+v_{y0}(\frac{x}{v_{x0}})+\frac{1}{2}a(\frac{x}{v_{x0}})^2[/tex]

[tex]v_{y}^2 = v_{y0}^2 + 2ay[/tex]

[tex]y=\frac{v_{y}^2 - v_{y0}^2}{2a}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{v_{y}^2 - v_{y0}^2}{2a}= y_0+v_{y0}(\frac{x}{v_{x0}})+\frac{1}{2}a(\frac{x}{v_{x0}})^2[/tex]

[tex]a^2=\frac{-v_{y0}^2 - v_{y0}(\frac{x}{v_{x0}})}{(\frac{x}{v_{x0}})^2}[/tex]

[tex]a^2=\frac{-(3.5x10^6 m/s)^2 - 3.5x10^6 m/s(\frac{0.04m}{3.5x10^6 m/s})}{(\frac{0.04m}{3.5x10^6 m/s})^2}[/tex]

= [tex]9.4x10^{28} m/s^2[/tex]

[tex]\sqrt{9.4x10^{28} m/s^2}[/tex] = [tex]3.1x10^{14} m/s^2[/tex]
 
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Your appoach is correct with the exception of two parts:

[tex]v_{y}^2 = v_{y0}^2 + 2ay[/tex]

[tex]y= y_0+v_{y0}t+\frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex]

Is the sign of 'a' positive or negative according to the coordinates? Another clue is evaluating

[tex]a^2=\frac{-(3.5x10^6 m/s)^2 - 3.5x10^6 m/s(\frac{0.04m}{3.5x10^6 m/s})}{(\frac{0.04m}{3.5x10^6 m/s})^2}[/tex]

Taking the square root of each side yields an imaginary number for 'a'.
 

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