An exact Paraxial equation derivation, 100% Cartesian

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the paraxial equation using Cartesian coordinates, focusing on the methods of ray tracing and the presentation of results. Participants explore the motivations behind the derivation, the use of exact versus approximate methods in optics, and the sharing of personal research and tools related to ray tracing.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the purpose of the derivation, suggesting that it does not align with traditional paraxial optics as it involves exact ray tracing for spherical surfaces.
  • Others clarify that the intention is to share personal findings and a unique derivation that has not been commonly presented in literature.
  • There is mention of a simple ray tracing program that the original poster wishes to showcase, which has been validated by other members.
  • One participant emphasizes the desire to present results rather than solve specific problems, indicating a focus on sharing knowledge rather than seeking solutions.
  • Concerns are raised about the presentation format, with suggestions for using LaTeX for clarity, although the original poster expresses limitations in learning it due to time constraints.
  • Questions arise regarding the appropriate journals for publishing related work and the best software for creating documents with trigonometric equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of the methods used in the derivation. There are competing views on the relevance of exact ray tracing versus paraxial approximations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to present and publish the findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and applications of the paraxial approximation in the context of the discussion. There are also unresolved issues regarding the formatting of mathematical content and the challenges faced in publishing academic work.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in optics, ray tracing, and those looking to share or publish findings in geometrical optics.

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The equation for the focal point is valid for all refractions through a spherical convex surface.
There are no angle or other length approximations used in the derivation. See what you think of this.
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You obviously spent significant time and effort in preparing your post. Can you spend some more of that on learning LaTeX and posting everything, including your exposition, in nice, readable text format?
 
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Years. Been a hobby, trigonometric ray tracing, for a long time.

I probably can reproduce the above in LaTex if I have to. But I don't know it at all and have limited time to give to learn it, if just to reproduce the above in that format. Am still working at a job is one reason. I thought that a neat, handwritten copy would probably suffice. Hope that doesn't prevent an analysis of it in this form, but, if needed, I can comply. @berkeman advised me on that recently too.
 
As with your thread on the same topic in the Optics forum, I don't really understand what you think you are doing. You aren't doing paraxial optics, despite your thread titles. You appear to be doing exact ray tracing for a spherical surface, which is fine, then doing a paraxial approximation at the end, which is fine, but for a reason I don't understand. You usually use the paraxial approximation to compute image locations, not where arbitrary rays from the axis cross. Knowing image locations is a great tool for roughing out an optical system. Then you either use aberration theory to understand and correct for how bad the system is, or just jump straight to getting a computer to throw hundreds of rays through it using exact ray tracing and optimisation algorithms to improve it. This doesn't really seem to help that, so I don't understand what you are trying to achieve.
 
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Yes, you have summarized it exactly, thanks.

I had some things from years of a hobby study that I just wanted to show and tell to others, that's all.
I don't have problems to solve, just a few items of study to show to others I thought might be of interest.

I'd never seen an exact derivation, so I thought mathematicians might like to see that.

Had a simple, trig ray trace program and wanted to show off what it could do. For all the paraxial points, and all the other areas of a spherical surface too. Wasn't sure if an existing program could do all of that.

Found a perfect lens model and rules for monochromatic, monocentric lenses. Other members proved it valid too. That didn't get much interest.

I have no problem to solve here, just had some results to show. That's all.
 
If I write any more equations in any post, I will comply and write them in LaTex. There. It's on the record. Luckily, though, I don't think I have any more equations to write down, as I told @berkeman too. So, that's all I have for this thread or any others, I hope.

Yes, I just wanted to show an exact, Cartesian-referenced derivation of that old, well-known paraxial equation. Because every textbook author had only used approximations in the derivation. That's it.

Third thing I still have to show was what the simple trig, ray trace program can do. But I will start a 2nd OP in the Optics section called "Simple trig trace program" or something like that. And show a few more diagrams and possibilities. I plotted a lot of stuff over the years. Hope this is OK.
 
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You obviously spent significant time and effort in preparing your post. Can you spend some more of that on learning LaTeX and posting everything, including your exposition, in nice, readable text format?
You probably don't remember this post, but, since the question of what journal is the ideal for a published subject matter came up in another thread, recently, and thank you again for your comments there, would you or any other academic members in this forum, suggest a correct journal to submit something of this type as stated in the OP, if one journal is considered better or more appropriate than another? I was unaware of this grading. Same subject matter: basic optics theory. Geometrical optics. A fuller exposition as you mention could be written. High school math again only, though.

Also, is one PDF editor software better than another for writing trigonometry equations in an academic paper? I am getting a lot of offers in my email? As long as it doesn't look like LaTex. :)

IJRAP had a terrible time converting my original Word file into PDF. Botched it up a lot, finally got it right after publishing it incorrectly for about a week! Had to get and keep after them! Did not clear the final PDF copy with me before they published it, and it was a mess! Not communicative, felt like AI on the emails, almost. Still, they put up a good copy, finally, online, and I am happy and thankful to them a lot for that.

Any suggestions are helpful and appreciated, thank you.
 

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