Cartesian and polar terminology

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The discussion revolves around the terminology used to describe different types of plots related to a scalar quantity, specifically voltage, as a function of angle. Participants explore the distinctions between Cartesian and polar representations, as well as the appropriate terminology for various plot types, including contour plots and parametric plots. The conversation includes considerations of how to express these concepts clearly in documentation without using algebraic symbols.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests terminology for the plots: A as "directional voltage response as a Cartesian plot," B as "directional voltage response as a polar plot," and seeks a term for C.
  • Another participant proposes calling A "Plot of V as a function of θ," B "Polar plot of V," and C "Parametric plot of V," citing Mathematica's terminology.
  • A later reply clarifies that the actual plotting involves a third variable Q, which is a function of both V and θ, and suggests that this should be referred to as a "Contour Plot."
  • Another participant challenges the classification of A, B, and C as contour plots, stating they show single contours rather than multiple contours typical of contour plots.
  • There is a suggestion that posting actual plots might clarify the discussion, as participants are currently relying on verbal descriptions.

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Participants express differing views on the appropriate terminology for the plots and whether they can be classified as contour plots. There is no consensus on the best way to describe the plots or the definitions of the terms used.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the terminology and the potential for misunderstanding due to the overlapping nature of the plots and their representations. The discussion highlights the need for clarity in distinguishing between different types of plots and their respective coordinate systems.

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I have a scalar quantity ##V## (let's call it a voltage for concreteness) that is a function of angle ##\theta##. There are two obvious ways to plot it, as a Cartesian plot (see A above) or as a polar plot (see B). I can also express the polar plot in terms of Cartesian coordinates ##V_x = V \, \cos \theta## and ##V_y = V \, \sin \theta## (see C). A particular mathematical process that I have to document involves calculating ##V_x## and ##V_y## as an intermediate step to providing a final output of ##V## and ##\theta##.

(The plots above are illustrative and do not show the function that I have to document in my real-world problem.)

In my document, there is a part where I can describe all this in detail using equations and plots, but there are other parts of the document where I have to summarise the steps of the process in words only. I want to find words to describe A, B, C in just a few words per plot, but still clearly and unambiguously. I have no hesitation in describing B as a "polar plot", but A and C are more problematic. Both could be described as "Cartesian plots" but that isn't enough to distinguish them. Indeed my co-author has unintentionally described both A and C identically, including the phrase "in Cartesian coordinates". I don't really like to describe ##(V,\theta)## as Cartesian coordinates even in the context of Plot A.

As I see it, A and B show the same coordinates but different plots, whereas B and C show the same plot with different coordinates.

Part of my difficulty is that I'm not sure whether the words "polar" and "Cartesian" (or "rectangular" if you prefer) are properties of the coordinates, or of the plots, or the combination of both.

For clarification, ##\theta## does represent a geometrical angle in the real world, but ##V## does not represent a distance.

My suggested terminology is

A = directional voltage response as a Cartesian plot

B = directional voltage response as a polar plot

C = ??

##(V,\theta)## = polar coordinates (or polar voltage coordinates??)

##(V_x,V_y)## = ??
Any thoughts?
 

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I would call,
A: Plot of V as a function of θ.
B: Polar plot of V.
C: Parametric plot of V.

Such are the names that Mathematica uses for these plots, so there must be some common understanding that that's what they are.
 
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kuruman said:
I would call,
A: Plot of V as a function of θ.
B: Polar plot of V.
C: Parametric plot of V.

Such are the names that Mathematica uses for these plots, so there must be some common understanding that that's what they are.
Thanks for your input.

I tried to simplify the statement of my problem to exclude unnecessary detail. But I now realize I've oversimplified it.

Actually I'm not plotting ##V## against ##\theta##. I'm really plotting a third variable ##Q## which is a function of both ##V## and ##\theta##. It's plotted by colouring each pixel on the plot by a colour that represents the value of ##Q##.
 
DrGreg said:
Actually I'm not plotting VV against θ\theta. I'm really plotting a third variable Q which is a function of both V and θ. It's plotted by colouring each pixel on the plot by a colour that represents the value of Q.
In that case, I would call that a Contour Plot (another term used by Mathematica) where a given color represents a constant value of Q.
 
kuruman said:
In that case, I would call that a Contour Plot (another term used by Mathematica) where a given color represents a constant value of Q.
But all three are contour plots of ##Q## (as a function of ##V## and ##\theta## in A and B, and of ##V_x## and ##V_y## in C). But I need to find descriptions in words only, no algebraic symbols.
 
A, B and C in your example, post #1, are not contour plots but show single contours. A contour plot has many contours labeled by numbers as, say isobars on a weather map or different colors as you described in post #3 for values of quantity Q. Perhaps it might be expedient to post the actual plots instead of describing them.
 
kuruman said:
A, B and C in your example, post #1, are not contour plots but show single contours. A contour plot has many contours labeled by numbers as, say isobars on a weather map or different colors as you described in post #3 for values of quantity Q. Perhaps it might be expedient to post the actual plots instead of describing them.
Consider that the curve I drew in my three plots shows one of many contours. Imagine a family of similar "parallel" curves above/around it. I can't show the actual plots.
 
DrGreg said:
Consider that the curve I drew in my three plots shows one of many contours. Imagine a family of similar "parallel" curves above/around it. I can't show the actual plots.
I have given you my opinion.
 

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