An Exploration of Unified Theories

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This thread explores the concept of unified theories in physics, particularly focusing on potential correlations between uniform circular motion, color perception, and musical notes. Participants discuss the mathematical relationships and theoretical implications of these observations, as well as their connections to quantum string theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes a potential correlation between uniform circular motion, color wheels, and musical octaves, suggesting a visualization exercise to explore these relationships.
  • Another participant agrees that there is a correlation between colors and musical notes as both are waves, but challenges the initial assumption of a direct mathematical correlation in the way proposed.
  • There is a discussion about the theoretical limits of sound and musical notes, with one participant stating that there is no defined lowest bass or highest treble due to the nature of wave propagation.
  • A question is raised about whether sound and water waves can be considered on the same spectrum, proposing a broader definition of the medium as "matter."
  • Another participant clarifies that sound waves are longitudinal while water waves are transverse, and emphasizes the importance of understanding wave properties in the context of string theory.
  • There is a request for clarification on what is meant by "mathematical correlations on a graph," indicating a need for further exploration of the initial questions posed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of correlations between sound, color, and musical notes, with some agreeing on the wave properties while others contest the specific mathematical relationships proposed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the connections to unified theories and string theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of wave phenomena and the limitations of their discussions, particularly regarding the definitions and properties of sound and light waves. There are unresolved questions about the mathematical correlations and theoretical implications of the observations made.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring the intersections of physics, music theory, and color theory, as well as individuals curious about unified theories and string theory.

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I am starting this thread with an observation and three questions. I post this only as a starting point. I would appreciate any comment on the search for a unified theory. I am an amateur physicist at best, yet it often seems as though the scientific world over complicates the search for simplicity.

My observation:
There appears at first glance to be a correlation between uniform circular motion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Degree-Radian_Conversion.svg the color wheel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RGV_color_wheel_1908.png, and one octave of the western music scale(placed around the circle) when examining each layered on the other.

Question 1:
Is there a mathematical correlation which reveals itself upon examining the chart linked above, layered over a color wheel, layered over notes placed around a circle?

Question 2:
When notes are placed linear with bass to the left and treble to the right is there a point of "lowest bass" or "highest treble"? Also, When colors are placed linear with red to the left and blue to the right...?

I ask this as a visualization exercise, it is a question that leads into other questions like, what is the lowest bass you can find? What is the highest treble known? How far can something be red shifted? How far blue shifted?

Question 3:
After considering the first two questions, is there in turn a correlation to quantum string theory? A question that helps to answer this is, are strings intrinsically matter? Are strings intrinsically energy?
 
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question 1
There is definitely a correlation between colors and musical notes, as they are both waves. Light is an electromagnetic wave, which means it is oscillating electric and magnetic fields. Sound is a wave as well, although in this case a longitudinal wave, not a transverse wave like light.
If you were to graph the amplitude of either wave, it would look periodic like a sine or cosine function.
In terms of Octaves, if middle C is an example of a wave with wavelength L, then the C above middle C would be a wave with wavelength L/2, or the C below would be a wave with wavelength 2L, meaning there isn't really a correlation in the way you were thinking of it I believe.
Visible light is just a small sample of what is called the electromagnetic spectrum. X-rays, and ultraviolet, and infrared are all also examples of this spectrum. Visible light is just what our eyes can detect, and it just happens to be what our sun happens to emit most of its light in, which from an evolutionary perspective makes very good sense. the red end of visible light is longer wavelength light, and the blue end of the spectrum is shorter wavelength light.

Question 2:
Theoretically there is no lowest bass or highest treble, as you could just have infinitely long, or infinitesimaly short waves, however that actually doesn't happen due to properties of the median in which sound waves propagate(air).
It is the same with light, although I am not sure if there is the same limits.

Question 3:
Sound waves is a very well understood phenomenon, and can be described with classical physics, where as light is a little bit more complex. In terms of quantum theory, wave theory is extremely important, but not the correlation you see.

I hope that answered some of your questions, and at least made a little sense.
 
sorry I meant mathematical correlation, on a graph, I made corrections
 
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"Theoretically there is no lowest bass or highest treble, as you could just have infinitely long, or infinitesimaly short waves, however that actually doesn't happen due to properties of the median in which sound waves propagate(air)."

Can sound and water waves be on the same spectrum of sound, simply call the median in which they are propagated "matter"?
 
Sound waves are longitudinal and water waves are transverse. The median in which they propagate is matter.
What you seem to be interested in is string theory(I noticed you changed your original post) I would suggest you read a book called the elegant universe by Brian Greene.
Also What exactly do you mean by mathematical correlations on A graph.
 

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