Analytic Geometry: Lines Problem

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The discussion revolves around finding the coordinates of vertex B in triangle ABC, given points A and C, and the lengths of the altitudes from AC and BC. The problem involves analytic geometry and requires the application of geometric principles and algebraic methods to determine the position of B, which is constrained to be below line AC.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the problem and the coordinates of points A and C, stating the lengths of the altitudes and expressing uncertainty about how to proceed.
  • Post 2 proposes using the altitude from AC to derive a line containing B, calculating the slope of AC and deriving equations to find potential coordinates for B.
  • Post 3 questions the reasoning in Post 2 regarding the distance from point G to A, suggesting that the distance should be between B and G instead.
  • Post 4 provides a visual representation of the problem, emphasizing the line that must contain point B.
  • Post 5 suggests an alternative approach by calculating the area of triangle ABC using the known altitudes and deriving possible coordinates for B, leading to two potential solutions.
  • Post 6 expresses appreciation for the alternative method proposed in Post 5, indicating a preference for this simpler approach.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to find point B. There are competing approaches and some confusion regarding the distances involved, particularly between points A, B, and G.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the placement of point G and the interpretation of distances in the context of the triangle's geometry. The discussion also reflects varying levels of understanding of the geometric relationships involved.

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In a triangle ABC: A(-2,7) and C(7,-5).

The length of the altitude of AC is 5, and the length of the altitude of BC is the square root of 45. I wish to find the vertex B, given that it is below the line AC.

I need your help, I have no idea how to approach this.

Thank you in advance.

I have started by calculating that AC is -(4/3)x+(13/3)

that's more or less all I have done.
 
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I think I would first use the information that the altitude from $\overline{AC}$ is 5 to determine a line that must contain $B$. We find the slope of $\overline{AC}$ is:

$$\frac{7+5}{-2-7}=-\frac{4}{3}$$

This line must contain a point $\left(x_1,y_1\right)$ whose slope with $A$ is $$\frac{3}{4}$$ and whose distance from $A$ is 5. So, we may write:

$$\frac{7-y_1}{-2-x_1}=\frac{3}{4}\implies 7-y_1=-\frac{3}{4}\left(2+x_1\right)$$

$$\left(2+x_1\right)^2+\left(7-y_1\right)^2=25$$

$$\left(2+x_1\right)^2+\frac{9}{16}\left(2+x_1\right)^2=25$$

$$\frac{25}{16}\left(2+x_1\right)^2=25$$

$$\left(2+x_1\right)^2=16$$

$$2+x_1=\pm4$$

$$x_1=-2\pm4$$

Since $B$ is said to lie below $\overline{AC}$, we take the solution:

$$x_1=-6\implies y_1=4$$

And so now armed with the slope and a point on the line which must contain $B$, using the point-slope formula, we find this line to be:

$$y=-\frac{4}{3}(x+6)+4=-\frac{4}{3}x-4=-\frac{4}{3}(x+3)$$

And so we may now label the coordinates of point $B$ as:

$$\left(x_B,-\frac{4}{3}\left(x_B+3\right)\right)$$

To continue, you need to find the $x_B$, such that the perpendicular distance from $A$ to the line through $B$ and $C$ is $\sqrt{45}$. (Thinking)
 
Thank you for the assistance.

There is something wrong, or that I do not understand in your solution.

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I agree that the slope of BG is 3/4 like you said. But why is the distance between G and A is 5 ? The distance between B and G is 5. I am slightly confused. The line AC is y=(-4/3)+(13/3). G is on this line and the distance from G to B is 5.
 

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What I am saying is that $B$ must lie on the red line:

\begin{tikzpicture}[xscale=0.5,yscale=0.5]
\usetikzlibrary{shapes,positioning,intersections,quotes}
\def\x{3};
\draw[<->] (-10.3,0) -- (10.3,0) node
{$x$};
\draw[<->] (0,-10.3) -- (0,10.3) node[above] {$y$};
\draw[domain=4.4:-10.1, variable=\x, red, ultra thick] plot ({\x}, {-(4/3)*(\x+3)}) node[above] {$y=-\dfrac{4}{3}(x+3)$};
\node[circle,draw=blue, fill=blue, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=5pt] (b) at (-2,7) {};
\node[above=1pt of {(-2,7)}, blue, outer sep=2pt,fill=none] {$A(-2,7)$};
\node[circle,draw=blue, fill=blue, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=5pt] (b) at (7,-5) {};
\node[below=1pt of {(7,-5)}, blue, outer sep=2pt,fill=none] {$C(7,-5)$};
\end{tikzpicture}​
 
Perhaps a simpler way to determine the coordinates of point $B$ is to observe the that area $A$ of the triangle must be:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}bh=\frac{1}{2}\overline{AC}\cdot5=\frac{5}{2}\sqrt{9^2+12^2}=\frac{75}{2}$$

We may also write:

$$A=\frac{1}{2}bh=\frac{1}{2}\overline{BC}\cdot\sqrt{45}=\frac{\sqrt{45}}{2}\sqrt{\left(7-x_B\right)^2+\left(\frac{4}{3}\left(x_B+3\right)-5\right)^2}$$

This implies:

$$\left(7-x_B\right)^2+\left(\frac{4}{3}\left(x_B+3\right)-5\right)^2=125$$

Solving this, we get:

$$x_B\in\{-3,9\}$$

And so this gives us two possible locations for point $B$:

$$B_1(-3,0)$$

$$B_2(9,-16)$$

\begin{tikzpicture}[xscale=0.375,yscale=0.375]
\usetikzlibrary{shapes,positioning,intersections,quotes}
\def\x{3};
\draw[<->] (-20.3,0) -- (20.3,0) node
{$x$};
\draw[<->] (0,-20.3) -- (0,20.3) node[above] {$y$};
\node[circle,draw=blue, fill=blue, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=5pt] (b) at (-2,7) {};
\node[left=1pt of {(-2,7)}, blue, outer sep=2pt,fill=none] {$A(-2,7)$};
\node[circle,draw=blue, fill=blue, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=5pt] (b) at (7,-5) {};
\node[right=1pt of {(7,-5)}, blue, outer sep=2pt,fill=none] {$C(7,-5)$};
\node[circle,draw=black!30!green, fill=black!30!green, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=5pt] (b) at (-3,0) {};
\node[above left=1pt of {(-3,0)}, black!30!green, outer sep=2pt,fill=none] {$B_1(-3,0)$};
\node[circle,draw=red, fill=red, inner sep=0pt,minimum size=5pt] (b) at (9,-16) {};
\node[right=1pt of {(9,-16)}, red, outer sep=2pt,fill=none] {$B_2(9,-16)$};
\draw[-,blue] (-2,7) -- (7,-5);
\draw[-,black!30!green] (-2,7) -- (-3,0);
\draw[-,black!30!green] (7,-5) -- (-3,0);
\draw[-,red] (-2,7) -- (9,-16);
\draw[-,red] (7,-5) -- (9,-16);
\end{tikzpicture}​
 
This is simpler. I like your new idea, thanks !
 

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