Analytical solution of Laplace's equation with horrendous boundary conditions

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The discussion revolves around finding an analytical solution to Laplace's equation with specific and complex boundary conditions. The focus is on exploring methods for solving the equation, including the use of Fourier integrals and potential series solutions, while addressing the challenges posed by the boundary conditions.

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  • One participant presents an ansatz for the solution of Laplace's equation in the form of a Fourier integral, expressing concerns about boundary conditions that complicate the extraction of coefficients.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the nature of time in the problem, questioning whether it runs from negative to positive infinity and the implications of the absolute value in the boundary conditions.
  • A participant notes the unknown boundary condition at \phi(x=0, |t|<\tau) and highlights that the lack of information about \phi_x(x=0) contributes to the difficulty of the problem.
  • There is a discussion about the mixing of time and spatial variables in the context of Laplace's equation, with a participant expressing confusion about the formulation and the necessity for complete boundary conditions.
  • Participants express interest in finding alternative analytical methods, including series solutions, to address the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the boundary conditions and the need for further clarification on certain aspects of the problem. However, there is no consensus on a specific method or solution approach, and multiple viewpoints regarding the nature of the equation and its boundary conditions remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in the provided boundary conditions, particularly the unknown values and derivatives, which complicate the analytical solution process. The mixing of time and spatial variables in the context of Laplace's equation is also noted as a point of confusion.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in analytical methods for solving partial differential equations, particularly in the context of complex boundary conditions and the interplay between time and space in mathematical physics.

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Hi,

I'm trying to find an analytical solution of Laplace's equation:

[tex]\phi_{xx}[/tex] + [tex]\phi_{tt}[/tex] = 0

with the tricky boundary conditions:

1. [tex]\phi(x=0,|t|>\tau)= 0[/tex]
2. [tex]\phi(x\neq0, |t|>>\tau)=0[/tex]
3. [tex]\phi_{x}(x=0, |t|<\tau)=-1[/tex]
4. [tex]\phi_{t}(x, |t|>>\tau)=0[/tex]

I have the following ansatz(I think that's the correct term):

[tex]\phi(x,t)=\int^{\infty}_{0}A(k)e^{-kx}cos(kt)dk[/tex]

i.e. a Fourier integral. It has the form that it has since I don't want the solution blowing up at infinity (I should also add that I'm only interested in [tex]x\geq0[/tex]) and that the solution has to be even in time (this is required by the physics of the problem). My attempts to extract [tex]A(k)[/tex] using standard Fourier methods have failed, due to the difficulty of the b.cs.

Can anyone help me come up with an analytical solution to this problem?

PS, it IS possible to solve the problem using conformal mapping, but I'm trying to find another analytical way of solving it, mainly for the purposes of extension to another related problem.
 
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Nardis said:
Hi,

I'm trying to find an analytical solution of Laplace's equation:

[tex]\phi_{xx}[/tex] + [tex]\phi_{tt}[/tex] = 0

with the tricky boundary conditions:

1. [tex]\phi(x=0,|t|>\tau)= 0[/tex]
2. [tex]\phi(x\neq0, |t|>>\tau)=0[/tex]
3. [tex]\phi_{x}(x=0, |t|<\tau)=-1[/tex]
4. [tex]\phi_{t}(x, |t|>>\tau)=0[/tex]

I have the following ansatz(I think that's the correct term):

[tex]\phi(x,t)=\int^{\infty}_{0}A(k)e^{-kx}cos(kt)dk[/tex]

i.e. a Fourier integral. It has the form that it has since I don't want the solution blowing up at infinity (I should also add that I'm only interested in [tex]x\geq0[/tex]) and that the solution has to be even in time (this is required by the physics of the problem). My attempts to extract [tex]A(k)[/tex] using standard Fourier methods have failed, due to the difficulty of the b.cs.

Can anyone help me come up with an analytical solution to this problem?

PS, it IS possible to solve the problem using conformal mapping, but I'm trying to find another analytical way of solving it, mainly for the purposes of extension to another related problem.

Welcome to the forum Nardis.

I have a few questions regarding this problem.

*) Is the time t running from [tex]-\infty[/tex] to [tex]+\infty[/tex], or is the problem supposed to be for positive t only? If the latter is true, why the absolute value?
*) What is the condition [tex]\phi(x=0, |t|<\tau)=?[/tex]

I assume that you need an analytic solution? I am looking for a series solution, assuming this is also valid...
 
Hi coomast,

1. Yes, time is running from [tex]-\infty[/tex] to [tex]\infty[/tex]. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.

2. Unfortunately [tex]\phi(x=0, |t|<\tau)[/tex] is unknown. This and the fact that [tex]\phi_x(x=0)[/tex] is unknown for all time is what makes the problem hard.

Yep, it'd be great if you could find a series solution.
 
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Nardis said:
Hi coomast,

1. Yes, time is running from [tex]-\infty[/tex] to [tex]\infty[/tex]. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.

2. Unfortunately [tex]\phi(x=0, |t|<\tau)[/tex] is unknown. This and the fact that [tex]\phi_x(x=0)[/tex] is unknown for all time is what makes the problem hard.

Yep, it'd be great if you could find a series solution.

There is still something that I don't understand. How can the Laplace equation be with time?
You either have the Laplace equation in some region bounded by two (or more) space variables or the equation for describing waves (with time). This here seems to be something mixed?

In solving these equations, the boundary must be completely given in some way, p.e. a function, it's derivative or some mixed conditions, but at least at the whole boundary which is not the case here.

Can you tell me more on what it is for or where it is coming from?
 
Nardis?
 

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