Analyzing Line Integral over Non-Exact Region |x|+|y|=4

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The discussion revolves around analyzing a line integral over a non-exact region defined by the curve |x| + |y| = 4. Participants explore the implications of the curve's non-smoothness and the properties of the differential form involved, as well as the analytical approach to breaking down the integral into manageable parts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for analytical guidance on the problem, particularly regarding the implications of the curve's non-smoothness and how to approach the analysis of the integral.
  • Another participant suggests breaking the non-smooth curve into four smooth segments and finding explicit formulas for these segments to facilitate the calculation of the line integrals.
  • A question is raised about the conditions under which a curve can be broken into pieces, specifically whether closure is the only requirement.
  • A later reply confirms that any curve can be split into finitely many pieces, and this is a standard property of line integrals, applicable to both smooth and piecewise smooth curves.
  • One participant mentions having found a solution of -π, which aligns with suggested solutions, indicating some level of resolution in their personal understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the ability to break down the curve into smooth pieces for analysis, but there are questions regarding the stipulations for doing so. The discussion remains open regarding the broader implications of the non-smoothness of the curve and the properties of the integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the non-exact nature of the differential form and the specific region of integration, which may introduce complexities in the analysis. There is also mention of a fundamental property regarding piecewise smooth curves that some participants are still reviewing.

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This discussion may be useful for students or practitioners interested in advanced calculus, particularly those dealing with line integrals, differential forms, and the analysis of non-smooth curves.

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Analyzing an integral over a non-exact region for gamma defined by |x|+|y|=4

The following was similar to a problem on a calculus final that I got wrong. It is an extension of a problem in R.C. Buck "Advanced Calculus" on page 501. Similar to knowing the trick to integrating e^{|x|} (which got me on my first calculus final years ago!), I assume there is a bit of analysis that I'm missing for this line integral regarding the absolute value. Someone please walk me through the analysis of this problem from Buck taken a step further.


Consider the 1-form \omega = \frac{xdy-ydx}{x^{2}+y^{2}} in the open ring D = \lbrace (x,y) | 1 \leq x^{2} + y^{2} \leq 4 \rbrace.

The text asserts that d \omega is not exact in D, which I verified with the standard computation.

The extension is -- setting \gamma (t) to be |x| + |y| = 4, calculate the integral \int_{\gamma}\omega counterclockwise over the region.

My hangups: aside from the differential form not being exact, the curve is closed, but not smooth.

Please note I don't necessary want someone to do this problem. I'd much rather have someone discuss how to pick this problem apart analytically. What is the first question to ask yourself? How do you reconcile the curve not being smooth? etc.
 
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The curve is non-smooth, so you can break the curve apart in 4 smooth pieces:

A piece \gamma_1 going from (0,4) to (4,0).
A piece \gamma_2 going from (4,0) to (0,-4).
A piece \gamma_3 going from (0,-4) to (-4,0).
A piece \gamma_4 going from (-4,0) to (0,4).

A first thing to do is to find explicit formula's for the \gamma_i.

The line integrals \int_{\gamma_i}\omega can be calculated by using the definition of a line integral.

You should expect the line integral to be nonzero.
 


micromass said:
The curve is non-smooth, so you can break the curve apart

Can this be done finitely many times as long as the pieces form a closed curve when put together? Are there other stipulations for breaking apart the curve to work, or onlyclosure of the curve?
 


You can break any curve into (finitely many) pieces, even nonclosed curves. It is always true that if \gamma is a curve, then

\int_\gamma \omega=\int_{\gamma_1} \omega + \int_{\gamma_2} \omega

where \gamma_1 and then \gamma_2 form the original curve \gamma.

This can be done for any curve, smooth and piecewise smooth. In fact, for piecewise smooth curves, this is a definition.
 


I found the fundamental property regarding splitting up piecewise smooth curves two chapters earlier, which I need to review. I got an answer of -\pi, which is what the solutions suggested. Thank you very much!
 

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