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The discussion centers around the relationship between conserved currents and conserved charges in the context of Lorentz invariance, exploring whether local conservation can be derived from global conservation. Participants examine the implications of the Coleman theorem and the conditions under which certain symmetries are manifest in quantum field theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that a conserved current implies the existence of a conserved charge and questions whether Lorentz invariance can be used to deduce local conservation from global conservation.
  • Another participant argues that deriving local conservation from global conservation is not possible, stating that local conservation is a stronger requirement.
  • A participant references the Coleman theorem, suggesting that if a charge is well-defined and the symmetry is manifest, then local conservation follows.
  • Further inquiries are made about the conditions under which the symmetry is considered manifest and the implications of the condition Q|0> = 0.
  • Participants seek references for proofs of the Coleman theorem and clarification on its implications regarding symmetries in quantum field theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the possibility of deriving local conservation from global conservation, with no consensus reached on this point. There is also an ongoing exploration of the implications of the Coleman theorem and its conditions.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the implications of the Coleman theorem without resolving the nuances of its application or the specific conditions required for the symmetry to be manifest.

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It is clear that a conserved current \partial_{\mu} J^\mu = 0 implies the existence of a conserved charge Q= \int d^3x J^0. Now I want to go the other way round: Suppose we have a basis of momentum eigenstates, such that these states are also eigenstates of the charge. Then clearly the charge commutes with the energy operator and is thus conserved but can we say anything else about the 4-vector current by for example invoking Lorentz invariance? It would be nice if there was a way to deduce \partial_{\mu} J^\mu = 0 but I do not see how that is possible
 
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If I understood you correctly, you would like to derive local conservation from global conservation. I don't think that it is possible. The requirement of local conservation is much stronger than that of global one.
 
Thanks that is what I thought.
 
alphaone said:
It is clear that a conserved current \partial_{\mu} J^\mu = 0 implies the existence of a conserved charge Q= \int d^3x J^0. Now I want to go the other way round

Look up S Coleman theorem:

If, for any 4-vector J_{a} ,

Q = \int d^{3}x J^{0}

is a well defined operator on the H-space, and Q|0> = 0 (i.e.,the symmetry is manifest), then

\partial_{a}J^{a} = 0

sam
 
Thanks for the relpy. That result amazes me and I will definitely look up the theorem! Could you elaborate on what you mean by saying that the symmetry is manifest? Under what conditions can I assume Q|0> = 0 ? Please let me know.
 
Could you also name a reference where I can find a proof of the Coleman theorem? Thanks in advance
 
I now know why we need Q|0>=0 and what it means, but could somebody please tell me where to find the theorem of Sidney Coleman samalkhaiat was talking about. Thanks in advance
 
alphaone said:
Thanks for the relpy. That result amazes me and I will definitely look up the theorem! Could you elaborate on what you mean by saying that the symmetry is manifest?
It means that the symmetry of the Lagrangian is also a symmetry of the ground state. I.e., it is unitarly implimented on at least a dense subset of the Hilbert space including the vacuum.
Under what conditions can I assume Q|0> = 0 ?

When

\delta \Phi = [iQ ,\Phi]

does not develop non-vanishing vacuum expectation value.


You can find a simple proof of Coleman's theorem on page 515 of Itzykson & Zuber ; Quantum Field Theory.

regards

sam
 
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