Angle & energy of compton electrons

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The discussion focuses on the simulation of Compton electron energy distribution using Monte Carlo methods, particularly addressing the challenges in determining the angles and energies of scattered photons and recoiling electrons. Participants explore both analytical approaches and the application of conservation laws in this context.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on simulating the Compton electron energy distribution without relying on tables, expressing uncertainty about the process.
  • Another participant suggests that there is an analytical expression for the angle of the Compton electron relative to the original photon direction, emphasizing the importance of momentum conservation.
  • A different participant points out that while simulating the scattered photon angle may seem straightforward, it requires careful consideration of the differential cross section for Compton scattering to ensure a correct probability distribution.
  • Further elaboration includes a proposed method for generating random variables based on an analytical formula for the distribution of electron angles, highlighting the need for normalization and the use of energy conservation in calculations.
  • One participant mentions a resource for additional information related to the topic, indicating the collaborative nature of the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the simulation process, with some agreeing on the necessity of using conservation laws and analytical formulas, while others raise concerns about the methods for generating angles and energies. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of defining variables and distributions clearly, as well as the potential limitations of the proposed methods, such as the need for normalization and the assumptions made regarding the initial and final states of the particles involved.

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I'd like to do a Monte Carlo-simulation of the Compton electron energy distribution. The scattered photon angle is easy to simulate by random numbers, which easily gives the scattered photon energy by the classic hv' = hv/(1 + hv*(1-cos(theta))/511) [keV]. But what about the Compton electrons? I do not want to use tables. I'm stuck with the problem... Can someone enlighten me in how to proceed...?
 
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There should be an analytical expression for the angle (phi) of the Compton electron with respect to the same axis (direction of the original photon) from which theta (angle of scattered photon) is measured.

Momentum of Compton electron = - momentum of photon in the transverse direction if conservation of momentum applies.
 
Yes, if you know (or assume) the energy of the incoming photon, and either the energy or the direction of the outgoing photon, you can find the energy and direction of the recoiling electron by applying conservation of energy and momentum.

However:

sofrid said:
The scattered photon angle is easy to simulate by random numbers,

Not really. You don't say how you're choosing the angle, but it's not uniform in either [itex]\theta[/itex] or [itex]\cos \theta[/itex]. To get it right, you have to look up the differential cross section formula for Compton scattering, and use it to obtain a probability distribution for the angle.
 
sofrid said:
I'd like to do a Monte Carlo-simulation of the Compton electron energy distribution. The scattered photon angle is easy to simulate by random numbers, which easily gives the scattered photon energy by the classic hv' = hv/(1 + hv*(1-cos(theta))/511) [keV]. But what about the Compton electrons? I do not want to use tables. I'm stuck with the problem... Can someone enlighten me in how to proceed...?
You need to have an analytical formula for the distribution of any variable describing the process. [itex]e\gamma\rightarrow e\gamma[/itex] is described by only one independent variable (of course, you know the initial state, and you don't have final state's polarisations, right ?). It could be energy, it could be angle, for either particle. Once you have chosen one variable, you can calculate all others.

Now assume you have an analytical formula for the distribution of variable X in the range of your interest. Say you are interested in electron angles from 15 to 30 degrees for instance (it does not matter for the principle). I will assume your formula is normalized so that the maximum of the distribution is 1 in this range (I did not say integral, I said maximum). One way to proceed is the following : pick up a uniformly distributed value for your variable in the range. Compute the value of the distribution at this point. Pick up a random number between 0 and 1 (or the maximum of your distribution in the range). If the random number is lower that the value of the distribution, keep this event, proceed to compute all other kinematical variables, and save entry. Otherwise, if the random number is more than the value of the distribution, discard this event.

It is not quite what people call "fast Monte-Carlo" but probably close enough for your purposes. Additional hint : when calculating other variables, just go to the center of mass, where both particles carry the same (opposite) momentum, and apply energy conservation. That allows you to compute the momentum carried in the center of mass, and boosting back to the lab, you can easily contruct everything.

What people would call "fast Monte-Carlo" would amount to almost the same procedure, except that you would directly generate your independent variable according to its distribution instead of this "compare/discard or keep" method. Having just one independent variable, it should be quite good enough in practice.
 
Thank you all! :smile: I also found som info here:

http://geant4.cern.ch/G4UsersDocuments/UsersGuides/PhysicsReferenceManual/html/node26.html
 
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