Angle of Tension b/w 2 Dogs Pulling Ropes?

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The problem involves two dogs pulling on ropes attached to a post, creating an angle of 60 degrees between the ropes. The forces exerted by the dogs are 270N and 300N, and the goal is to determine the magnitude of the resultant force and the angle it makes with one of the ropes.

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  • Participants discuss using different methods to find the angle of the resultant force, including the cosine formula for the resultant and the sine formula for the angle. There is confusion regarding the derivation of certain formulas and the application of trigonometric relationships.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various approaches to the problem, with some suggesting the use of components and others questioning the assumptions made about angles and directions. There is an ongoing dialogue about the correct application of trigonometric principles without a clear consensus on the best method.

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Participants note that the problem only provides the angle between the ropes and not the specific directions of the forces, which is causing some uncertainty in the calculations and reasoning.

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Homework Statement



Two dogs pull horizontally on ropes attached to a post; the angle between the ropes is 60 degrees. If dog A exerts a force of 270N and dog B exerts a force of 300 N, find the magnitude of the resultant force and the angle it makes with dog A's rope.

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We know that the resultant force between 2 forces is

f_{res} = \sqrt{F_{a}^2 + F_{b}^2 + 2 F_{a} F_{b} cos \theta}
= 493.86N

This part I got write, the part I don't understand is how to find the angle the resultant force makes with the dog A's rope.

I grabbed the problem on cramster http://www.cramster.com/solution/solution/1339563 and the person uses this formula

tan \theta = \frac{F_{b} sin 60}{F_{a} + F_{b} cos 60}

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But after 30min+ grappling with how he got to that formula I still don't know how!

Please help, I'm going crazy over this lol.
 
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I prefer to use components rather some formula.

But since you used the cosine formula for the resultant you can use the sine formula to get the angle:

300/sintheta = resultant/sin120
 
grzz said:
I prefer to use components rather some formula.

But since you used the cosine formula for the resultant you can use the sine formula to get the angle:

300/sintheta = resultant/sin120

You can't because they only give you the angle between the rope, not the direction of pull.

How did you get sin 120?
 
If you look at the pararellogram whose sides are the tensions, one can use the sine formula in the traingle made up by the resultant and the two tensions. The angle opposite the resultant is 120deg.
 

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