Angles between complex vectors

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the angle between two complex vectors in a 4-dimensional space, exploring both Euclidean and Hermitian angles. Participants reference mathematical definitions and properties related to complex vector spaces, including inner products and orthonormal bases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion over a paper regarding angles between complex 4-dimensional vectors and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant explains that in a 4-dimensional complex vector space, angles can be defined using either a Euclidean or Hermitian approach, providing formulas for both.
  • A further elaboration on the definitions of Euclidean and Hermitian angles is provided, noting that both angles can be complex and that the Euclidean angle is derived from the real part of the Hermitian inner product.
  • A different participant questions how to express the angle between states in a complex Hilbert space, presenting a formula for the distance between two states and inquiring about the corresponding angle.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple approaches to defining angles in complex vector spaces, with no consensus reached on a singular method or interpretation. The discussion remains open with various viewpoints and formulas proposed.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference different mathematical structures and properties, such as the relationship between complex and real inner products, without resolving the implications of these definitions or their applicability in specific contexts.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in complex vector spaces, inner product spaces, and the mathematical foundations of angles in higher dimensions may find this discussion relevant.

Physgeek64
Messages
245
Reaction score
11
So I was trying to learn how to find the angle between two complex 4-dimensional vectors. I came across this paper, http://arxiv.org/pdf/math/9904077.pdf which I found to be a little confusing and as a result not overly helpful. I was wondering if anyone could help at all?

Many thanks in advance :)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Assuming that you have a ##4## dimensional complex vector space ##V_{\mathbb{C}}## you have essentially two possibility, You can consider the complex space isometric to the real space ##\mathbb{R}^{8}## so you have the relation for the Euclidean angle ##\Theta##:

\cos{\Theta(A,B)}=\frac{(A,B)}{|A||B|}

where ##(,)## is the product in ##\mathbb{R}^{8}## or you can consider your complex space isometric to ##\mathbb{C}^{4}## and have the relation for the Hermitian angle ##\Theta_{c}##:

\cos{\Theta_{c}(A,B)}=\frac{(A,B)_{\mathbb{C}}}{|A||B|}

where now ##(,)_{\mathbb{C}}## is the hermitian product on ## \mathbb{C}^{4}##. Defining and almost complex structure you can have other kind of angles (Kahler) but depends what you need ... the last part of the article works in order to find relations between these kind of angles ...
 
Just to expand on the Euclidean and Hermitian angles, since complex angles can be a bit confusing: if a Hermitian (complex) inner product is defined on ##\mathbb{C}^{4}##, then the complex angle between two complex vectors ##v## and ##w## is defined as

$$\cos\theta_{c}\equiv\frac{\left\langle v,w\right\rangle }{\left\Vert v\right\Vert \left\Vert w\right\Vert }.$$

Both the angle and its cosine are in general complex. The Euclidean angle is defined by taking the real part of the cosine, to get a real angle:

$$\cos\theta_{E}\equiv\frac{\mathrm{Re}\left(\left\langle v,w\right\rangle \right)}{\left\Vert v\right\Vert \left\Vert w\right\Vert }.$$

If we take an orthonormal basis in ##\mathbb{C}^{4}## based on the Hermitian inner product, this gives an orthonormal basis of ##\mathbb{R}^{8}## via decomplexification (removing the possibility of complex multiplication of scalars), which in turn defines a real inner product on ##\mathbb{R}^{8}##. The Euclidean angle is equal to the angle between the vectors under this decomplexification. Note that a Euclidean angle of ##\pi/2## does not ensure a vanishing Hermitian inner product.

If we instead take the modulus (absolute value) of the cosine, this defines the Hermitian angle, which is again real:

$$\cos\theta_{H}\equiv\frac{\left|\left\langle v,w\right\rangle \right|}{\left\Vert v\right\Vert \left\Vert w\right\Vert }.$$

This angle, just like the angle in Euclidean space, is the ratio of the orthogonal projection of ##v## onto ##w## over the norm of ##v## (or the reverse). However, it's important to remember that the orthogonal projection here uses the Hermitian inner product, so that parallel vectors in ##\mathbb{C}^{4}## may be orthogonal using the corresponding real inner product in ##\mathbb{R}^{8}##.

More details here: https://www.mathphysicsbook.com/mathematics/abstract-algebra/generalizing-vectors/norms-of-vectors/
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: Greg Bernhardt
Hello everybody, nice answers.
I was wondering if I can write down the angle between two states in a complex Hilbert space ##\mathcal{H}_N## of any dimension. I know that the distance ##|d|## between the state ##|\psi\rangle## and the state ##|\phi\rangle## would be
$$|d\rangle = |\psi\rangle - |\phi\rangle \: ,$$
and then
$$|d| = \sqrt{\langle d | d \rangle} \: .$$
Am I right? But what about the angle?
Thank you so much :biggrin:
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 18 ·
Replies
18
Views
3K