Angular Acceleration of Poll: Find the Equation

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The discussion revolves around determining the angular acceleration of a pole that is released from a horizontal position. The pole has a specified length and mass, and participants are exploring the relationship between angular acceleration and angle, as well as the implications of energy conservation in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the use of the parallel axis theorem for calculating rotational inertia and question the meaning of angular acceleration in relation to the center of mass. There are attempts to apply energy conservation principles to derive equations for angular velocity as a function of angle.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct application of the parallel axis theorem and the interpretation of potential energy in the context of the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between angular acceleration, potential energy, and kinetic energy, with various interpretations being considered.

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Participants are discussing the reference point for potential energy and the implications of measuring from different positions. There is also a note about ensuring that kinetic energy is not counted multiple times in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Hey guys.
I got this poll which is at one side connected to a wall and is being released from a horizontal state.
his length is L and mass m.
I need to find the angular acceleration of the poll as a function of the angle.
I got this answer in the pic but according to them the answer should be what I marked in the red box.

Any idea? am I wrong?

10x.


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You are using the parallel axis theorem to find the rotational inertia, but 1/3mL² is the rotational inertia about the axis (what you need) not the center of mass.
 
Doc Al said:
You are using the parallel axis theorem to find the rotational inertia, but 1/3mL² is the rotational inertia about the axis (what you need) not the center of mass.

Oh, stupid me, 10x.
 
Another thing.
First of all, when they say this is the angular acceleration of the poll, does it mean the angular acceleration of the center of mass?
In the next part of the question, they ask for the angular velocity as a function of [tex]\varphi[/tex].
I tried to use energy conservation and came up with this equation:
[tex]mgL=mgL(1-1/2\cos(\varphi))+1/2 mv^2+1/2 I\omega^2[/tex]
When
[tex]v = \omega*(L/2)[/tex]

Is this right?

10x.
 
asi123 said:
First of all, when they say this is the angular acceleration of the poll, does it mean the angular acceleration of the center of mass?
All parts of the pole have the same angular acceleration.
In the next part of the question, they ask for the angular velocity as a function of [tex]\varphi[/tex].
I tried to use energy conservation and came up with this equation:
[tex]mgL=mgL(1-1/2\cos(\varphi))+1/2 mv^2+1/2 I\omega^2[/tex]
When
[tex]v = \omega*(L/2)[/tex]

Is this right?
Not exactly:
  1. Where are you measuring PE with respect to? (Where does PE = 0?) What's the initial PE?
  2. Since the angle is measured from the horizontal, revisit how the PE varies with angle.
  3. Be careful not to count KE twice. The pole can be considered to be in pure rotation about the pivot, so [itex]1/2 I\omega^2[/itex] represents the entire KE.
 
Doc Al said:
All parts of the pole have the same angular acceleration.

Not exactly:
  1. Where are you measuring PE with respect to? (Where does PE = 0?) What's the initial PE?
  2. Since the angle is measured from the horizontal, revisit how the PE varies with angle.
  3. Be careful not to count KE twice. The pole can be considered to be in pure rotation about the pivot, so [itex]1/2 I\omega^2[/itex] represents the entire KE.

Is this right?
 

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asi123 said:
Is this right?
Yes. That looks good.
 
10x.
 

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