Angular and linear acceleration

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an Atwood machine with a pulley and two hanging masses, focusing on the calculation of linear acceleration. The setup includes a hoop pulley with concentrated mass and specified weights on either side, with gravity acting on the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the net force and apply Newton's second law, incorporating the moment of inertia and angular acceleration. Some participants suggest using free body diagrams (FBD) to clarify the forces and torques involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with the original poster indicating progress after drawing a free body diagram, while also expressing curiosity about the validity of their earlier approach. There is an indication of productive exploration of concepts, but no explicit consensus on the final solution.

Contextual Notes

The original poster acknowledges a potential misunderstanding in their application of the equations, and there is an emphasis on the need for clarity regarding the assumptions made in their calculations.

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Homework Statement



An Atwood machine is constructed using a
hoop with spokes of negligible mass. The
2.4 kg mass of the pulley is concentrated on
its rim, which is a distance 20.9 cm from the
axle. The mass on the right is 1.36 kg and on
the left is 1.79 kg.
What is the magnitude of the linear accel-
eration of the hanging masses? The accelera-
tion of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2

Answer in units of m/s^2


Homework Equations


F=ma
[tex]\tau[/tex]=I [tex]\alpha[/tex]
[tex]\alpha[/tex] R=v


The Attempt at a Solution



Ok I found the net force action on the system as the difference of the two weight forces so:
F1=1.79*9.8=17.542N F2=1.36*9.8=13.328N
Fnet=4.214N

Now I said that F=ma, but since the wheel has a mass, and thus a moment of inertia I said:
F=(m1+m2)a+I[tex]\alpha[/tex] where m1 and m2 are the weights and I is the moment of inertia and alpha is the angular acceleration of the wheel
I think this is probably where I am mistaken...but continuing from here

I=mr^2=2.4*(.209^2)=.104834

and I say a=[tex]\alpha[/tex]r

4.214=(3.15 kg)a+I*a/r
4.214=3.15a+.501598a => 4.214=(3.6516)a
a=1.15402 m/s^2

and needless to say this is incorrect :(

Any help would be wonderful! Thanks a lot
 

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You need to draw a FBD for each of the three bodies (two falling masses and the wheel) and let that guide you to writing your equations.
 
Ok, I have figured it out by drawing a FBD and treating the weights as torques on the wheel. But I am still curious and would like to know at what point what I attempted becomes invalid?
 
I'll let you figure that out.
 

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