Angular Displacement: Earth's Orbit 2 Days

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The discussion revolves around calculating Earth's angular displacement during its orbit around the sun over a period of 2 days. The context involves understanding angular motion and the relationship between time and angular displacement in a nearly circular orbit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore how to relate the time period of Earth's orbit to angular displacement, questioning how to set up equations based on the given period of 365.25 days. Some participants attempt to calculate the angular displacement for 2 days based on the total displacement in a year.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations involved in determining angular displacement, with some participants providing calculations for angular displacement in radians and discussing the conversion to degrees. Additional questions about angular velocity and its relationship to linear velocity are also raised, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

Participants express confusion regarding the conversion of angular velocity to appropriate units and the implications of using different distances in calculations, suggesting a need for clarification on assumptions about the distances involved in the problem.

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Homework Statement



Earth's orbit around the sun is nearly circular. The period is 1 yr = 365.25 days. In an elapsed time of 2.0 days, what is Earth's angular displacement?

Homework Equations



Theta=Theta final - Theta inital

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm very confused and need help starting it!
 
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It stands to reason that if Earth travels 365 degrees (2Pi radians) in 365.25 days, then Earth travels ___ degrees in 2 days. You should be able to set up an algebraic equation for this one.
 
salaam said:

Homework Statement



Earth's orbit around the sun is nearly circular. The period is 1 yr = 365.25 days. In an elapsed time of 2.0 days, what is Earth's angular displacement?

Homework Equations



Theta=Theta final - Theta inital

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm very confused and need help starting it!

if period is the time taken for one revolution and it is an approximate circle. Then in 1 time period (365.25 days) how many radians does it travel?
 
2 pi i think
 
salaam said:
2 pi i think

Right right good good...


so if in 365.25 days it rotates 2pi radians

in 1 day how much will it rotate?
 
(2 * pi radians) / 365.25 = 0.0172024238
 
salaam said:
(2 * pi radians) / 365.25 = 0.0172024238

good good

so in 1 day it rotates 2π/365.25 radians.

So in 2 days how much does it rotate?
 
0.0344048476 radians
 
salaam said:
0.0344048476 radians

so in 2 days it rotates 0.0344048476 radians, isn't this what the question asked for ? (you can convert it degrees depending on what the question wants)
 
  • #10
YES! thank you so much for your help :)
 
  • #11
Is there anyway you can also help me find out the change in the Earth's velocity? i know that velocity is change in distance over time. but it keeps telling me that i can' tput my answer in radians/seconds so i dontk now how to do it
 
  • #12
salaam said:
Is there anyway you can also help me find out the change in the Earth's velocity? i know that velocity is change in distance over time. but it keeps telling me that i can' tput my answer in radians/seconds so i dontk now how to do it

Well you know 2 days it rotates 0.0344048476 radians

the angular velocity ω is defined as d/dt or

[tex]\omega = \frac{\theta_2 - \theta_1}{t} = \frac{change \ in \ angular \ displacement}{time}[/tex]


and you have the change in angular displacement is 0.0344048476 radians.

So in 2 days what is ω ?
 
  • #13
.0172 radians/ days.. but its not asking for angular velocity so it doesn't want my answers in radians/ days or hours or seconds
 
  • #14
salaam said:
.0172 radians/ days.. but its not asking for angular velocity so it doesn't want my answers in radians/ days or hours or seconds

Yes but we need ω to get v. Convert ω to radians/second.

Now what is the relationship between v, ω and r ? (r is the distance from the center of rotation -> the sun in this case)
 
  • #15
i converted w to radians/ second and got. 1.99 x 10^-7. i have no idea what the relationship is
 
  • #16
salaam said:
i converted w to radians/ second and got. 1.99 x 10^-7. i have no idea what the relationship is

So you know the equation v=rω?
 
  • #17
OHH so i would just do v= 6378 km ( 1.99 x 10^-7) and that would give me my answer in km/second?
 
  • #18
salaam said:
OHH so i would just do v= 6378 km ( 1.99 x 10^-7) and that would give me my answer in km/second?

Well I don't know the distance between the sun and the Earth, but that is what you would do.

Also if that is wrong, try using r=radius of sun + distance between the sun and the Earth + radius of the earth. Not sure they meant to use the sun and Earth as point masses or how they normally are.
 
  • #19
OHH so i just do v= 6378 km ( 1.99 x 10 ^-7) and my answer comes out in km/s?
 
  • #20
salaam said:
OHH so i just do v= 6378 km ( 1.99 x 10 ^-7) and my answer comes out in km/s?

uhm yes basically.
 

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