Angular magnification and image size

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving angular magnification and image size produced by a lens, specifically in the context of capturing an image of the solar eclipse. The original poster presents a scenario with a lens focal length of 1 meter and an angular size of 1 degree for the sun's image.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate angular magnification and the resulting image height using a triangle approach, expressing uncertainty about the small image size obtained. Other participants suggest considering the properties of thin lenses and the geometry of light rays to derive the image height.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to calculate the image height, with one suggesting a geometric approach involving rays from the sun. The original poster has revised their calculation based on feedback, indicating a potentially more reasonable image height, but the discussion remains open without a definitive conclusion.

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There is an implicit assumption regarding the ideal behavior of the lens and the nature of light rays involved in the image formation process. The original poster's initial calculation yielded a very small image height, which prompted further exploration of the problem.

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Homework Statement


You have a lens with f=1m. You decide to make a camera to take a picture of the solar eclipse. The image of the sun and its corona have an angular size of 1.00 degrees. Find the diamter (in cm) of the resulting image.


Homework Equations



M=theta'/theta = 25cm/f

The Attempt at a Solution



I decided to find the angular magnification:
M=25cm/100cm = 1/4 (so the image the camera observes is smaller than what is in the sky?)

And since M=theta'/theta and I know theta=1.00 degree, I figured I'd find theta':
theta'=M*theta = 0.25 degrees

And I thought I'd get the height of the image formed using just a triangle where one angle is .25 degrees and one of the sides is the near point distance of 25 cm.
Which yielded image height of about 1.1mm...

Is this method right? I don't like how the height is so tiny. But I remember that when you focus sunrays with a magnifying glass you get a point (to burn whatever), so at the same time it doesn't seem unreasonable.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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One property of thin lenses is that rays through their center are not bent.
Suppose a ray from the center of the sun goes on the optic axis through the center of the lens. A second ray from the rim of the sun passes through the center of the lens - it won't be bent either, so it will emerge from the lens at angle half a degree from the optic axis. Consider the triangle formed by the two rays emerging from the lens half a degree apart and a vertical line at the focal plane 1 meter away from the lens where the image is formed. This is a right triangle, so you can easily calculate the side of the triangle that is the half height of the image. It gives an answer quite different from your 1.1 mm.
 
Ooh okay, so I got 1.75cm, does that sound more right?

Thanks!
 
Yes!
Most of those lens questions boil down to choosing two rays that are easy to work with.
 

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