Angular momentum and starship enterprise

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving angular momentum in the context of a fictional scenario with the starship Enterprise and a space station. The original poster is tasked with arguing why angular momentum conservation prevents the Enterprise from reaching the space station when treated as point particles.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the system's angular momentum, considering the ship and station as a closed system with no external torques. They express confusion about the implications of their calculations and seek hints for further progress.
  • Some participants question the relevance of certain distances in the angular momentum calculations and suggest simplifying expressions to clarify the reasoning.
  • Others explore the implications of angular momentum conservation, suggesting that the ship cannot reach the station due to the need for angular momentum to remain constant.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing hints and prompting further simplification of expressions. There is an exploration of the implications of angular momentum conservation, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the assumption that the space station is at rest and are examining the conditions under which the ship can approach it. There is a focus on the conservation of angular momentum and its implications for the system's dynamics.

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the starship enterprise is cruising along at constant speed v when it encounters a mysterious space station. (enterprise = x, space station = S)

http://x402.putfile.com/4/11618084116.jpg

the enterprise is headed such that it will pass the space station at a distance d, as shown above. the question states:

argue that angular momentum conservation does not allow the tractor beam to make the enterprise reach the space station if we treat them both as point particles. given, v_enterprise, d.

so.. here's what i tried.
system = ship + station; no external torques, so angular momentum is conserved.

let l = the top side of the triangle (distance that enterprise would travel if not being pulled by tractor beam)
let r = hypotenuse

L_i = r X p

|r| = sqrt(l^2 + d^2); |p| = mv

let the space station be at the origin, therefore
L_f = 0

so..

sqrt(l^2 + d^2)*(mv)*sin(phi) = 0; sin(phi) = L/r

sqrt(l^2 + d^2)*(mv)*(L/r) = 0

now.. i have absolutely no idea what to do.. could i get a hint, anyone?
 
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What's the angular momentum of the system? (Measure with respect to the space station.) This should be easy to answer. (Hint: the distance you call "l" is irrelevant.)

Since, as you correctly point out, angular momentum is conserved, what does that tell you about how close the ship can approach?
 
well.. since the only thing moving is the ship, wouldn't the total angular momentum of the system just be r*(mv)*sin(phi)..?

if angular momentum is conserved, that means it has to go somewhere, so the ship can't reach the station because that angular momentum has to remain constant. so the ship can't ever be at rest at the station, if we consider the station to be at rest at all times..
 
syang9 said:
well.. since the only thing moving is the ship, wouldn't the total angular momentum of the system just be r*(mv)*sin(phi)..?
Yes, but simplify that expression. Once you get a simpler expression, it will be easier to explain why the ship cannot reach the station.
 

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