Angular Momentum and uniform flat disk of mass Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a uniform flat disk of mass and radius that rotates about a horizontal axis. Participants explore concepts related to angular momentum, the motion of a chip that breaks off from the disk, and the calculations involved in determining the height the chip rises before falling.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formula for angular momentum and the moment of inertia of the disk. They raise questions about the vertical motion of the chip after it breaks off, including the relationship between initial velocity and the parameters of the problem. Some participants inquire about the absence of a horizontal component in the chip's motion and how to express the distance in terms of the given parameters.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing calculations and questioning assumptions. There is a focus on finding the distance the chip rises in relation to its initial speed and the parameters of the disk. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationships between variables, but no consensus has been reached on the final outcome.

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Participants note the lack of certain information, such as time and tangential speed, which affects their calculations. The discussion also emphasizes the need to express results in terms of the given parameters without introducing additional variables.

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A uniform flat disk of mass M and radius R rotates about a horizontal axis through its center with angular speed ωi.
a) What is its angular momentum
b) A chip of mass m breaks off the edge of the disk at an instant such that the chip rises vertically above the point at which it broke off. How how above the point does it rise before starting to fall?
c) What is the final angular speed of the broken disk.

Li = Iωi
I of wheel = (1/2)MR^2
Li = ωi(1/2)MR^2

d = Vit + (1/2)at^2

i figure this velocity will be equal to sin(theta)*Vtangential (Vτ)

d = Vτi*sin(theta)*t + (1/2)gt^2

is this correct?

thanks
 
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Destrio said:
Li = Iωi
I of wheel = (1/2)MR^2
Li = ωi(1/2)MR^2
OK.

d = Vit + (1/2)at^2

i figure this velocity will be equal to sin(theta)*Vtangential (Vτ)
You aren't given the time or the tangential speed. And it rises vertically, so what must be its direction?

Find the distance in terms of the given parameters.
 
Li = Iωi
I of wheel = (1/2)MR^2
Li = ωi(1/2)MR^2

can i assume there is no horizontal component to the flying chip?
if so, won't Vτ = ωiR at some point

do I have to find distance in terms of R?
 
Destrio said:
can i assume there is no horizontal component to the flying chip?
I would.
if so, won't Vτ = ωiR at some point
Yes. That's the speed of the chip as it breaks off.

do I have to find distance in terms of R?
Find it any way you can, but only in terms of the parameters given. That distance only depends on the initial speed, but that speed is in terms of ωi and R.
 
Li = Iωi
I of wheel = (1/2)MR^2
Li = ωi(1/2)MR^2

Vτ = ωiR

i need to know when Vf = 0

so Vf = Vo + at
Vf = 0
Vo = Vτ = ωiR
-a = g
0 = ωiR - gt
gt = ωiR
t = ωiR/g

d = ωiR(ωiR/g) + (1/2)g(ωiR/g)^2
d = (ωiR)^2/g + (ωiR)^2/2g
d = 2(ωiR)^2/2g + (ωiR)^2/2g
d = 3(ωiR)^2/2g

this this correct?

thanks
 
Destrio said:
Li = Iωi
I of wheel = (1/2)MR^2
Li = ωi(1/2)MR^2

Vτ = ωiR

i need to know when Vf = 0

so Vf = Vo + at
Vf = 0
Vo = Vτ = ωiR
-a = g
0 = ωiR - gt
gt = ωiR
t = ωiR/g
OK.
d = ωiR(ωiR/g) + (1/2)g(ωiR/g)^2
a = -g
 
d = ωiR(ωiR/g) - (1/2)g(ωiR/g)^2
d = (ωiR)^2/2g
 
Destrio said:
d = ωiR(ωiR/g) - (1/2)g(ωiR/g)^2
d = (ωiR)^2/2g
Good.
 

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