Angular Momentum in an Inelastic Collision

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The discussion revolves around the moment of inertia of a clay ball in the context of an inelastic collision. Participants are examining the appropriate formula for calculating the moment of inertia based on the shape and density of the object involved.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the classification of the clay ball's moment of inertia, debating whether it should be treated as a hollow cylinder or a solid sphere. There is also discussion about the implications of treating the ball as a point mass versus a solid object.

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Some participants have provided insights into the calculation of moment of inertia and the reasoning behind different approaches. There is an ongoing exploration of the definitions and assumptions related to the problem, with no clear consensus reached yet.

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Participants note the absence of specific information, such as the radius of the clay ball, which affects the calculations and assumptions being discussed. There are also reminders about the guidelines for posting problem statements in the thread.

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Homework Statement
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Relevant Equations
Moment of inertia of end rod = 1/3ml^2
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I was wondering why in the video the moment of inertia for the clay ball (upon collision) was simply 1ml^2. That is the constant for a hollow cylinder. The problem specifies that the object is a ball, so the cylinder classification makes no sense, and also I'm pretty sure clay is rather dense of a material.

Shouldn't it instead be 2/5ml^2? That is the constant for a solid sphere through its center.
Thank you.
 
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NP04 said:
1ml^2
No. ML2, with L the length of the rod. Lower case m does not occur in the exercise. Nor does lower case l.
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The ball doesn' t rotate around its center for this exercise: it rotates around the given axis and is considered to be a point mass.
 
NP04 said:
I was wondering why in the video the moment of inertia for the clay ball (upon collision) was simply 1ml^2.

Google "Moment of inertia of a particle about an axis". You will find it is equal to mr^2 or ml^2 depending if they use r or l for the tangential distance from the axis.

It's worth understanding how the moment of inertia for any shape can be calculated. It's effectively done by:

1) dividing the object into lots of individual small particles
2) calculating the moment of inertia for each particle
3) Adding up all the individual moments of inertia to give the total moment of inertia for the object.

If you do this for a thin walled cylinder of mass M (big M) the result just happens to be Mr^2 because all the particles each of mass m (little m) are at the same radius from the axis. This means the sum in step 3 becomes...

= mr^2 + mr^2 + mr^2 + mr^2 ... etc
= (m + m + m +...etc.) r^2

Now
m + m + m... = M
so the moment of inertia for the whole cylinder = Mr^2
 
NP04 said:
Shouldn't it instead be 2/5ml^2?
If you were given the radius of the ball, as r, it would be ##\frac 25Mr^2## about its centre. Then you need to use the parallel axis theorem to find its MoI about the other end of the rod.
But you are not given that radius, so you will have to assume it is small enough that you can treat it as a point mass.
So why is it described as a sphere, rather than, say, a lump? Just to mislead you, I guess.
 
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