Angular momentum - length of day change if drive on other side of road

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the hypothetical scenario of changing traffic direction in Great Britain from left to right and its potential impact on the length of the day, specifically in relation to angular momentum conservation. Participants explore the implications of this change on the angular momentum of the Earth and the traffic system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls that changing traffic direction would increase the length of the day, but not significantly, due to the shift in angular momentum from traffic moving further away or closer to the Earth's axis.
  • Another participant questions why the changes in angular momentum from different traffic directions do not cancel each other out.
  • There is a suggestion that the two directions of traffic would affect angular momentum differently due to their varying distances from the axis of rotation.
  • A participant introduces a thought experiment involving sitting in an office chair to illustrate how moving mass can affect rotation, suggesting that cars would similarly influence Earth's rotation.
  • It is emphasized that the total angular momentum of the cars and Earth system is conserved, and any change in the angular momentum of the cars would necessitate an equal and opposite change in Earth's angular momentum, affecting its rotation rate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty about the specifics of how angular momentum changes with the shift in traffic direction, and there is no consensus on whether the length of the day would increase, decrease, or remain unchanged.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the discussion involves assumptions about traffic distribution and the effects of torque on the cars, which may not be fully resolved.

lavster
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This is a question that I remember hearing a few years ago:

If the law were changed so that traffic in Great Britain traveled on the righthand
side of the road instead of on the left, would the length of the day increase,
decrease or be unaltered?

I remember the answer was increase but not by much.

The assumed that there is as much traffic west-east as east-west. Changing from left to right side of the road means that the west-east traffic moves a bit further away from the Earth axis, the
east-west traffic moves a bit closer (because generally the north is closer to the axis
than the south).

The person that told me this then claimed that this meant that the angular momentum of all traffic increases. (and therefore the day becomes longer due to conservation of angular momentum)

My question is: why does the two directions not cancel out? and therefore the length of day would remain the same?
 
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lavster said:
north is closer to the axis than the south
...
My question is: why does the two directions not cancel out?
You have the answer right there.
 
but would one increase the angular momentum and the other decrease the angular momentum? I think I am missing something that is staring me in the face...
 
lavster said:
but would one increase the angular momentum and the other decrease the angular momentum?
By different amounts, due to different distance to the axis.
 
lavster said:
but would one increase the angular momentum and the other decrease the angular momentum? I think I am missing something that is staring me in the face...

but angular momentum is conserved.
 
tade said:
but angular momentum is conserved.

Try sitting in an office chair and waving your feet around in a circle. You can get the chair to rotate as long as you keep rotating your legs. When you stop the chair stops.

I believe the cars would have the same effect. They would cause the Earth to rotate as long as they are moving.

I think the falling cat problem is similar.
 
tade said:
but angular momentum is conserved.
  • We must be clear on what angular momentum we are talking about. It is the total angular momentum of the cars+Earth system that is conserved.
  • The angular momentum due to the cars changes if Great Britain shifts to driving on the other side of the road.
  • Therefore, the angular momentum of Earth must have an equal-but-opposite change. And since the distribution of Earth's mass does not change, the angular momentum change must come from a change in rotation rate.

p.s. The angular momentum of the cars can change because there can be net torque exerted on the cars by Earth.
 

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