Angular momentum of a charged insulator ring in a decreasing magnetic field

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The problem involves a thin ring of mass m and radius a, uniformly charged with charge q, situated in a vertical magnetic field B_0. The ring is free to rotate about its vertical axis. The main question is about the angular momentum acquired by the ring when the magnetic field is switched off.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the forces acting on the charged ring and considers conservation of momentum. Some participants suggest exploring the expression for emf and reference Maxwell's equations.
  • Another participant describes the induced electric field and torque on the ring, leading to a discussion about the relationship between angular momentum and electromagnetic fields.
  • Questions arise regarding the initial angular momentum of the magnetic field and the existence of an electric field inside the ring.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging with the problem by exploring various physical laws and equations. Some have provided insights into the induced electric field and torque, while others are questioning the assumptions about the electric field configuration and the angular momentum of the magnetic field. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is generating productive lines of inquiry.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of calculating the electric field due to the charged ring and the challenges in determining the initial angular momentum of the static magnetic field. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations of using Gaussian surfaces for this analysis.

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Homework Statement


Consider a thin ring of mass m that has a radius a and negligible width. The ring lies in a horizontal plan. The ring is an insulator and carries a fixed charge q that is uniformly distributed around its circumference. The ring is located in a magnetic field of strength B_0, the field is parallel to the vertical axis through the center of the ring. The ring is also supported so that it can rotate freely about this central vertical axis.

If the magnetic field is switched off,

a) how much angular momentum will the ring acquire?


Homework Equations


\phi = \int B \cdot da
emf= \delta_t \phi_B

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm stuck on what the force on each electron is in this process. The ring will begin to spin to try and create a field to compensate for the external, decreasing B field, but some of the force goes into making the ring spin too, as the charged are not free.

I want to think there is some conservation of momentum going on here, but unsure on that.

Ideas?
 
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You're on the right track with your equations, but you might want to look for what the emf can be expressed as. Maybe try looking at Maxwell's equations in their integral forms.
 
This was an old qual problem I was just looking at. Let me describe how to solve it, and then ask another question I had that my solution doesn't answer.

According to Lenz's Law, (or really to Maxwell's equation \vec{\nabla} \text{x} \vec{E} = -\frac{\partial{\vec{B}}}{\partial{t}}), the induced electric field due to a change in magnetic flux \Phi = \vec{B} \cdot \vec{A} (where \vec{A} is the area vector normal to the surface through which the magnetic field is "fluxing") is given by

(1) \oint{\vec{E} \cdot d\vec{l}}=-\frac{d\Phi}{dt}

In this case (a ring of radius a), \Phi = \pi a^2 \vec{B}, and due to symmetry \vec{E} is the same magnitude along the ring, and due to Lenz's Law \vec{E} will point in the direction such that it opposes the change in flux through the ring, or in the \hat{\phi}-direction (parallel to d\vec{l}). Using this information, (1) becomes

(2) 2\pi a E= \pi a^2 \frac{dB}{dt}

which simplifies to

(2') E= \frac{a}{2}\frac{dB}{dt}

So it might seem that we can't calculate this time derivative, but we don't need to! Recall Newton's second law in rotational form:

(3) \vec{\tau}= \frac{d\vec{L}}{dt}

where \vec{\tau} is the total torque on the object, and \vec{L} is its angular momentum. Now, the torque on the ring is due to the induced electric field, and the infinitesimal torque d\tau on an infinitesimal length of the ring dl is

(4) d\tau=a d F=a \lambda E dl

where \lambda is the linear charge density; i.e., \lambda=\frac{q}{2\pi a}. I'm dropping vector signs here because I'm lazy, but we know that the force is in the direction of the electric field, and the torque is in the \hat{z}-direction. Now the total torque is obtained by integrating these infinitesimal torques around the ring, giving

(5) \tau=2\pi a^2 \lambda E

Finally, we substitute in (3) and (2'), leaving us with

(6) \frac{dL}{dt}=\lambda \pi a^3 \frac{dB}{dt}

Now we integrate over time, and we get the final angular momentum of the ring,

(7) L=\lambda \pi a^3 B


So that's fine, but the question I have is, is there a way to get this result using only the initial momentum and final momentum of the electromagnetic fields alone? The problem I have is, this angular momentum acquired by the ring comes from the magnetic field. But I can't figure out what the initial angular momentum of the field is using Poynting's vector, because there's no electric field inside the ring (right? I tried using a Gaussian surface to see this), and therefore the cross-product of the E and B-fields inside the ring is 0. But that can't be right... the static magnetic field must have some angular momentum, or else there wouldn't be any way for the ring to acquire angular momentum. What am I missing here? Any ideas are appreciated.
 
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tstin said:
there's no electric field inside the ring (right? I tried using a Gaussian surface to see this), and therefore the cross-product of the E and B-fields inside the ring is 0.


This is wrong, of course. There's no nice Gaussian surface one can draw to calculate the electric field due to a ring of charge. We can only analytically calculate the field along the ring's axis. Here's an http://www.physics.buffalo.edu/~sen/documents/field_by_charged_ring.pdf" trying to develop an intuitive understanding of the field due to a charged ring.

Anyways, I guess it's not trivial to find the electric field and thus the initial angular momentum. of the static field configuration.
 
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