Magnetic Field of Rotating Circular Ring

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the magnetic field at a specific position along the rotation axis of a circular ring with a uniform linear charge density that is rotating. The problem involves concepts from electromagnetism, particularly the Biot-Savart Law and the relationship between charge density and current.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the transition from a static charged loop to a rotating charged loop and how this affects the magnetic field. There is discussion on how to express current in terms of charge density and angular velocity, with some participants questioning the definitions and relationships involved.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in clarifying the relationship between charge density and current, with some offering insights into the application of the Biot-Savart Law. There is an acknowledgment of similarities between the magnetic fields of a rotating charged loop and a current loop, although the discussion remains open without a definitive consensus on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the treatment of linear charge density in the context of rotation, and there are varying interpretations of the differential elements involved in the calculations. The problem's complexity is acknowledged, particularly in transitioning from static to dynamic scenarios.

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Homework Statement


Find the magnetic field at position z (z=0 in the plane of the ring) along the rotation axis for a circular ring of radius r, carrying a uniform linear charge density λ, and rotating about its axis with angular velocity ω.

Homework Equations


I=q/t
ω=2πf
f=1/period
Biot-Savart Law

The Attempt at a Solution


I can determine the magnetic field when the ring is just a current loop that is not rotating. Once the rotation comes into play I get really confused about how to handle the linear charge density λ and the angular velocity.

I see that I can solve for time in the equation for current (I=q/t) and end up with: I=(qω)/(2π)

I think λ=charge/length but should it instead be: λ=dq/dl?
 
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zero1342 said:
I can determine the magnetic field when the ring is just a current loop that is not rotating. Once the rotation comes into play I get really confused about how to handle the linear charge density λ and the angular velocity.
You're misunderstanding the problem. Its not a current loop rotating, its a charged loop rotating. So if it wasn't rotating, it was simply a charged loop. But now that its rotating, its setting charged particles in motion in a circular path. So its actually the same as a current loop.
 
I understand that there are many similarities between the magnetic field above a current loop and the magnetic field above a spinning charged loop. The issue is, how do I incorporate the charge density into the problem?

The differential element of current di = (2πdq)/ω and dq = λdl so di=(λ2πdl)/ω

Does dl = 2πrdr?
 
To find the magnetic field, you need to use Biot-Savart's law ## \vec B=\frac{\mu_0}{4\pi} \int \frac{I d \vec l \times \vec r}{r^3} ##.
Where ## d\vec l ## is the differential length(so its dimension is length not length2 so rdr can't be right) along the wire in the direction of current and ##\vec r ## is the displacement vector from the wire element to the point of observation.
Here we're talking about a circle. If we use cylindrical coordinates and assume the loop is at z=0, its obvious that the loop is defined by ## \rho=const=R ##. So the differential length should be in the direction of the azimuthal angle ## \phi ##, which means ## d\vec l =Rd\phi \hat \phi##.
The problem wants the magnetic field along the loops axis, so the point of observation is located on the z axis, ##\vec r_o=z_o \hat z ##. The wire element is located at ## \vec r_e=R\hat \rho ##. So we have ##\vec r=\vec r_o-\vec r_e=z_o\hat z-R\hat \rho ## and ##r=\sqrt{z_o^2+R^2}##.
The current, as you mentioned before, is ## I=\frac{dq}{dt} ##. Here we have a rotating linear uniform charge distribution. So we have ## I=\frac{\lambda Rd\phi}{dt}=\lambda R \omega ##.
Now you should put all of the above in the integral and calculate it.
 
So I originally solved a different problem which was to find the magnetic field for a loop of current and got: B=\frac{{μ_0}Ir^2}{2(r^2+z^2)^\frac{3}{2}}

Then the problem changed and it was a charged loop rotating and using your help with dl I got: B=\frac{{μ_0}qr^3ω}{4πr(r^2+z^2)^\frac{3}{2}} and using λ=q/(2πr) it simplifies to: B=\frac{{μ_0}Ir^2}{2(r^2+z^2)^\frac{3}{2}} which is the same exact result for a loop of current!

So they're both the same and now your first response makes more sense. Is this all correct?
 

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