Angular Momentum of Collapsing Cloud

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The discussion centers around the dynamics of a collapsing cloud in astrophysics, specifically focusing on the application of angular momentum conservation and centripetal acceleration in the context of gravitational forces. The original poster attempts to derive a relationship for the final radius of the cloud's collapse.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between radial velocity and angular momentum, questioning the conditions under which the radial velocity becomes zero. There is an exploration of how to apply conservation laws to derive the necessary relationships.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the approach to take, suggesting the use of angular momentum conservation to derive the dependence of angular velocity on radius. There is an acknowledgment of the need to integrate the equations of motion to find the conditions for when radial velocity vanishes.

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The original poster assumes an initial radial velocity of zero and that the final radius is much smaller than the initial radius. There is a hint provided regarding the relationship between radial acceleration and velocity that is under discussion.

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Homework Statement


Beginning with


\frac{d^2 r}{dt^2} = -G\frac{M_{r}}{r^2}
, adding a centripetal acceleration term, and using conservation of angular momentum, show that the collapse of a cloud will stop in a plane perpendicular to its axis of rotation when the radius reaches
r_{f} = \frac{{{\omega_{0}}^{2} {r_{0}}^{4}}} {{2 G M_{r}}}

where M_{r} is the interior mass. Assume the initial radial velocity of the cloud is zero and that r_{f} \ll r_{0}

Hint: \frac{d^2 r}{dt^2} = v_{r} \frac{dv_{r}}{dr}

Homework Equations



Adding the centripetal term:\frac{d^2 r}{dt^2} = r{\omega}^2 - G\frac{M_{r}}{r^2}

The Attempt at a Solution

Since we are only concerned with the plane perpendicular to the axis of rotation, the mass concerned will be a thin disk the whole time so :

L_{i} = \frac{1}{2}M_{r}{{r_{0}^{2}}{\omega}_{0} L_{f} = \frac{1}{2}M_{r}r_{f}^{2}{\omega}_{f}L_{i} = L_{f}

{\omega}_{f} = \frac{r_{0}^{2}}{r_{f}^{2}}{\omega}_{0}

When the cloud stops collapsing v_{r} = 0

so from the equation given:r_{f}\omega_{f}^2 = G\frac{M_{r}}{r_{f}^{2}}<br />

Plugging in for {\omega_{f}}r_{f}\left[\frac{r_{0}^{4}}{r_{f}^{4}}\omega_{0}^{2}\right] = \frac{GM}{r_{f}^{2}}\Rightarrow r_{f} = \frac{r_0^{4}{\omega_{0}^{2}}}{GM}

which 2 times too large.
 
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You found a condition such that

v_r \frac{dv_r}{dr} =0,

you didn't show that v_r=0 at this radius because it could be (and is) the case that dv_r/dr vanishes there instead. What you should do is use angular momentum conservation to find the r dependence of \omega. Then you can integrate the equation of motion to determine v_r(r). Determining when that vanishes will yield the expected result. You will want to use the suggested approximation to simplify finding the root.
 
That makes perfect sense. Thank you very much I have arrived at the correct answer.
 

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