Angular momentum of orbit from orbit parameters and mass of sun

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angular momentum of a planet moving in an elliptical orbit around the Sun, given the semi-major and semi-minor axes of the orbit. Participants are examining the relationships between angular momentum, orbital parameters, and gravitational forces.

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  • Participants are analyzing the derivation of angular momentum using different equations and parameters, questioning the consistency of results obtained through different methods. There is a focus on the implications of assuming circular versus elliptical orbits.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the derivations and questioning the assumptions made in the original answer. Some participants have noted potential inconsistencies in the given answers and are exploring the conditions under which the results align.

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There is a mention of a specific reference that provides an alternative expression for angular momentum, which may influence the understanding of the problem. Participants are also considering the implications of different orbital shapes on the calculations.

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Homework Statement
A planet of mass m moves in the gravitational field of sun ( mass M). If semi major and minor axes are a and b respectively, the angular momentum of the planet is what?
Relevant Equations
Area of ellipse ##\pi ab##

Kepler's laws
L = mvr = mr (dr/dt) = 2m*r*(dr/dt)/2 = 2m*(dA/dt)
So, A = (L/2m)T
so, ## L = \frac{2 \pi a b m}{T}##

Now, ##T^2 = \frac{4 \pi^2}{GM} a^3##
So from all these, I get
##L = \sqrt{ \frac{GM m^2 b^2}{a}}##

But answer given is
##L = \sqrt{ \frac{2GM m^2 ab}{a+b}}##
(This, they have derived from energy and angular momentum conservation.)

What is wrong? Where's this inconsistency coming from?
 
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Kaguro said:
Homework Statement:: A planet of mass m moves in the gravitational field of sun ( mass M). If semi major and minor axes are a and b respectively, the angular momentum of the planet is what?
Relevant Equations:: Area of ellipse ##\pi ab##

Kepler's laws

L = mvr = mr (dr/dt) = 2m*r*(dr/dt)/2 = 2m*(dA/dt)
So, A = (L/2m)T
so, ## L = \frac{2 \pi a b m}{T}##

Now, ##T^2 = \frac{4 \pi^2}{GM} a^3##
So from all these, I get
##L = \sqrt{ \frac{GM m^2 b^2}{a}}##

But answer given is
##L = \sqrt{ \frac{2GM m^2 ab}{a+b}}##
(This, they have derived from energy and angular momentum conservation.)

What is wrong? Where's this inconsistency coming from?
I prefer your answer. So does this:

https://www.lehman.edu/faculty/anchordoqui/chapter25.pdf

See equation 25.B.20.

Why didn't you find that pdf? :wink:
 
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Cant find a mistake in your answer either.

Just to rewrite your first line using cross product because the way it is written as simple multiplication is wrong
$$\vec{L}=m\vec{r}\times\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}=2m\frac{1}{2}\vec{r}\times\frac{d\vec{r}}{dt}\Rightarrow |\vec{L}|=2m\frac{dA}{dt}$$ where ##A## is the area that the radius vector ##\vec{r}## spans.
 
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Ah...

I now realize that the answer given is wrong, because they assumed the orbit is circular.
When I put a=b, the two answers are consistent.

But even after assuming that a=b, they still wrote them as though they are different.

Thank you both of you.
 
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