Angular Velo, Tangential Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of tangential acceleration in the context of uniform circular motion, specifically focusing on the relationship between angular speed, centripetal acceleration, and torque.

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  • Participants explore the formula for tangential acceleration, with one suggesting a relationship involving angular acceleration and questioning the manipulation of terms. Others raise concerns about the validity of the mathematical steps taken and the units involved.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct relationships and formulas related to tangential acceleration. Some participants have pointed out potential errors in reasoning and the need for clarification on the use of certain equations.

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Participants are discussing the implications of using different equations for radial and tangential acceleration, indicating a possible misunderstanding of the concepts involved. There is also mention of the need for additional information to fully relate torque to acceleration.

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I have computed angular speed, centripetal acceleration, and torque for a uniform circular motion.

What is the tangential acceleration?

I am leaning towards tangential a = r(alpha) where alpha is d(omega)/dt.
since I have calculated omega and a = dv/dt - I think its safe to
say that as dt cancels dv = r d(omega) = a tangential?

Any tips?
 
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agross said:
I am leaning towards tangential a = r(alpha) where alpha is d(omega)/dt.
since I have calculated omega and a = dv/dt - I think its safe to
say that as dt cancels dv = r d(omega) = a tangential?

This is a very strange mathematical manipulation, because dt, is not actually an unknown by itself, and not directly "cancel-able". Tangential a, for uniform circular motion is given by r(omega)2 or v2/r depending on what information you have.
 
agross said:
I have computed angular speed, centripetal acceleration, and torque for a uniform circular motion.

What is the tangential acceleration?

I am leaning towards tangential a = r(alpha) where alpha is d(omega)/dt.
since I have calculated omega and a = dv/dt - I think its safe to
say that as dt cancels dv = r d(omega) = a tangential?

This is not correct; for one thing the units are not the same (m/s^2 on the right hand side, m/s on the others).

If you start with:

[tex] \frac{dv}{dt} = r \frac{d\omega}{dt} = a_t[/tex]

(where v is the speed along the circular path and [tex]a_t[/itex] is the tangential acceleration), then you can rewrite this as:<br /> <br /> [tex] dv = r\ d\omega = a_t\ dt[/tex]<br /> <br /> so the dt term is now associated with the tangential acceleration.<br /> <br /> <br /> It's not clear from your post what other information you might have; but you can relate the torque to the total acceleration, and then relate total acceleration to the tangential acceleration.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <blockquote data-attributes="" data-quote="horatio89" data-source="post: 1979416" class="bbCodeBlock bbCodeBlock--expandable bbCodeBlock--quote js-expandWatch"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-title"> horatio89 said: </div> <div class="bbCodeBlock-content"> <div class="bbCodeBlock-expandContent js-expandContent "> This is a very strange mathematical manipulation, because dt, is not actually an unknown by itself, and not directly "cancel-able". Tangential a, for uniform circular motion is given by r(omega)<sup>2</sup> or v<sup>2</sup>/r depending on what information you have. </div> </div> </blockquote><br /> <br /> I don't believe those equations are correct.[/tex]
 
Ah, sorry, my mistake... I was using the equations for radial acceleration. Thanks for pointing it out.
 

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