Angular Velocity of Ice Skater Around a Pole

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The problem involves an ice skater transitioning from linear motion to circular motion around a pole, requiring the calculation of the skater's final angular velocity. The context includes concepts of angular momentum and moment of inertia.

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  • Participants explore various formulas related to angular momentum and energy conservation, questioning which is appropriate for the scenario. There is confusion regarding the moment of inertia in relation to the axis of rotation.

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Some participants have provided calculations and expressed uncertainty about the correctness of their approaches. There is a recognition of the need to adjust the moment of inertia for the pole's position, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of using different formulas and the conservation of energy in this context. The original poster expresses confusion about the appropriate method to apply.

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Homework Statement


An Ice skater of mass m = 70kg is initially traveling at a speed v = 4 m/s along a straight path that brings his center of mass to within a distance b = .6m of a vertical pole fixed in the ice. He reaches out with his hand as he passes the pole and hangs on so that he pulls himself into a circular path of radius r = .8m (measured from the axis of rotation to his center of mass) around the pole. If the skater's moment of inertia about his center of mass is I = 1.40 kgm2 , what is his final angular velocity ω about the pole, assuming that no torques act during this maneuver?


Homework Equations


Li = Lf
Iiωi = Ifωf
or maybe...
L = mvr = Iω
or possibly...
mviri = mvfrf

or if energy is conserved...
.5mv2 = .5Iω2

I'm mostly confused about which formula to use.

The Attempt at a Solution



mvri = Iω
(70)(4)(.6) = (1.4)ω
ω = 120 rad/s
But I thought that this was a relatively unreasonable speed for the skater to be going, so I tried this...

.5(70)(4)2 = .5(1.4)ω2
ω = 28.3 rad/s

But I don't think energy is conserved, so I also tried this...

mvr = mvr
(70)(4)(.6) = (70)(v)(.8)
v = 2.14 m/s
v=ωr
3 = ω(.8)
ω = 3.75 rad/s

This seemed reasonable to me, but I didn't use the moment of inertia, and I have nothing to check my work against. How do I know which formula is the correct one to use in this situation?
 

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Gwozdzilla said:
mvri = Iω
(70)(4)(.6) = (1.4)ω
That I is the MoI about the skater's centre of mass, but the rotation is about the pole. How do you correct for that?
 
I = Icm + Md2
I = (1.4) + (70)(.8)2
I = 46.2 kgm2

mvr = Iω

(70)(4)(.6) = (46.2)ω
3.64 rad/s = ω

Would this be the correct answer?
 
Gwozdzilla said:
I = Icm + Md2
I = (1.4) + (70)(.8)2
I = 46.2 kgm2

mvr = Iω

(70)(4)(.6) = (46.2)ω
3.64 rad/s = ω

Would this be the correct answer?
Looks right to me.
 

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