Another Example of Our Screwed-Up Laws

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The discussion revolves around the implications of statutory rape laws, particularly focusing on the responsibilities of young males in cases where they are involved with older females. Participants explore the nuances of consent, responsibility for child support, and the treatment of statutory rape in legal contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that statutory rape should be treated differently than rape, suggesting that the male's responsibility for child support is unjust given the circumstances of consent.
  • Others contend that both parents have responsibilities towards the child, regardless of the age or gender of the parents involved.
  • A participant questions the logic behind holding a young male responsible for child support when he may not have had the capacity to give informed consent.
  • Some express concern about the fairness of the legal system, particularly regarding the immediate imposition of child support obligations without fully resolved custody issues.
  • There is a discussion about the societal expectations of males and females in these situations, with some participants suggesting that the law does not treat them equally.
  • One participant highlights the irony of a male being held responsible for a child he did not have the right to prevent from being born.
  • Another asserts that all individuals, regardless of age, should be held accountable for their actions, including the conception of a child.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on the treatment of statutory rape or the responsibilities of young males in such cases. Disagreements persist regarding the definitions of consent and the fairness of legal obligations imposed on minors.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various legal and social implications of statutory rape laws, but the discussion lacks clarity on specific legal definitions and the nuances of informed consent as it applies to different ages.

  • #121
NeoDevin said:
As much as I think that the age of consent in the states should be lowered, I feel the need to point out that even in (most) countries with an age of consent of 15 or lower, what she did was still a crime. As a babysitter, she was in a position of authority over the boy.


So you are saying that as a baby sitter it was not appropriate, but you feel the age of consent should be lowered? Not to sound like an ***, but that is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard here on PF. Ok for someone who needs a babysitter to father a child legally and be held responsible. Nice.
 
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  • #122
I wouldn't mind sleeping with my baby sitters.
 
  • #123
MotoH said:
I wouldn't mind sleeping with my baby sitters.

You would have to be at least 13 :biggrin:
 
  • #124
Why is custody given to a woman who is a pedophile in the first place? Victims of statutory rape should never have to pay child support since the partner should not have any right to the child.
 
  • #125
zoobyshoe said:
It's fine if you want to lobby to get the age pushed back, but the law as it is now, exonerates the boy of any responsibility, and a judge, of all people, should not be making decisions that undercut a clear law.
Go tell that to all of the judges in juvenile court who by your logic undercut clear laws over and over again on a daily basis by holding minors responsible for their actions even though they are legally incapable of making responsible decisions.

As well would you like to tell his child that he is a bastard in perpetuity since according to you the law should not recognize who his father is?
 
  • #126
Pinu7 said:
Why is custody given to a woman who is a pedophile in the first place? Victims of statutory rape should never have to pay child support since the partner should not have any right to the child.

Well it was sort of in her uterus you know. And then paternity had to be established and a court has to decide who will get the child. And she has apparently yet to be convicted of statutory rape so legally she has no marks against her as of yet.

Also you might look up the term pedophile.
 
  • #127
Averagesupernova said:
So you are saying that as a baby sitter it was not appropriate, but you feel the age of consent should be lowered? Not to sound like an ***, but that is about the stupidest thing I have ever heard here on PF. Ok for someone who needs a babysitter to father a child legally and be held responsible. Nice.

Way to make a coherent argument for your view!

I feel the age of consent should be lowered, yes. I also believe the restrictions on this for people who are in a position of authority over the minor should be instituted. I think the law here in Canada (where I am) is reasonable. Age of consent is 16, with a "less than 5 years difference" exception for 14 and 15 year olds. If the adult is in a position of authority, the age is instead 18.
 
  • #128
The mother being able to keep child that was carried in her uterous and put there by illegal means has no more right to keep that child than I would have a right to keep money that was in my bank account but was obtained and put there by illegal means.
 
  • #129
Averagesupernova said:
The mother being able to keep child that was carried in her uterous and put there by illegal means has no more right to keep that child than I would have a right to keep money that was in my bank account but was obtained and put there by illegal means.

That's for a court of law to decide. Is not a matter of opinion.
 

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