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The discussion revolves around understanding vector operations involving the unit vectors i, j, and k, specifically in the context of addition, subtraction, scalar product, direction cosines, and angles between vectors. The scope includes conceptual clarification and mathematical reasoning related to vector algebra.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in starting vector operations when presented in the form of i, j, k.
  • Another participant mentions understanding the dot product using the cosine rule but requires knowledge of the vectors' magnitudes and angles.
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Hi everyone. Aftrer doing a search I found loads of information but I still can't get my head around these damm vectors. I understand the basics and how to work out the dot product if given the question in a given way.

An example of the questions I am being asked are:

The following two vectors are:
p = 4i + 3j - 2k and q = 2i - 4j - 3k
i) Find p+ q
ii) Find p – q
iii) Find the scalar product of pq
iv) Find the direction cosines for both p and q
v) Find the angle between vectors p and q, giving your answer to 2 decimal places (d.p.)



When the vectors are written in this form I literally don't know where to start!

Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
 
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Ricky31290 said:
I understand the basics and how to work out the dot product if given the question in a given way.
In what way do you understand?
 
By using the (a)(b)cos0 rule.

To use this I would need to know what a b and the angle would be. So if its drawn for me (almost like a tri angle) its straight forward. I take it the "i j k" must refer to "a b 0"?

Sorry if I am miles out this is all totally new to me!
 
Ricky31290 said:
To use this I would need to know what a b and the angle would be. So if its drawn for me (almost like a tri angle) its straight forward. I take it the "i j k" must refer to "a b 0"?
No. i, j, and k are unit vectors (vectors of length 1), pointing along the x, y, and z axes, respectively. Take p, for instance. You have
$$
\mathbf{p} = 4 \mathbf{i} + 3 \mathbf{j} - 2 \mathbf{k} = 4 \begin{pmatrix} 1 \\ 0 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} + 3 \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 1 \\ 0 \end{pmatrix} -2 \begin{pmatrix} 0 \\ 0 \\ 1 \end{pmatrix} = \begin{pmatrix} 4 \\ 3 \\ -2 \end{pmatrix}
$$
which represents a vector with its origin at ##(x,y,z) = (0,0,0)## and its tip at ##(4,3,-2)##.

You will need to get your hands on a good book on linear algebra. I don't know much about web resources, but there is a very basic introduction on Math is Fun. You can also have a look at Khan Academy.
 
Brilliant that's extremely helpful.

Thanks.
 
(a, b, c)+ (p, q, r)= (a+ p, b+ q, c+ r).

And the scalar product is (a, b, c).(p, q, r)= ap+ bq+ cr
 
Thread moved out of homework sections, as this question is not specifically a homework question.
 
Mark44 said:
Thread moved out of homework sections, as this question is not specifically a homework question.

Sorry, I am a noob!

For anybody else looking for help on this subject I found this website very helpful.. http://www.mathtutor.ac.uk/
 

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