Another Simple Rope Tensions Question

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The problem involves a 4.0 kg magpie landing on a horizontal wire, causing it to depress by 4.0 cm. The discussion centers around calculating the tension in the wire, given the setup and the forces acting on the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the tension using trigonometric functions and weight components but arrives at a different answer than expected. Some participants suggest resolving the tensions into components and question the original poster's understanding of the forces involved.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the components of tension and the equilibrium of forces. There is an ongoing clarification about the relationship between the weight of the bird and the tension in the wire.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of a textbook answer that differs from the original poster's calculation, indicating potential confusion or misinterpretation of the problem setup. The angle used in calculations has also been adjusted in subsequent posts.

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Homework Statement



A 4.0kg magpie (bird) flies towards a very tight plastic wire on a clothes line. The wire is perfectly horizontal and is stretched between poles 4.0m apart. The magpie lands on the centre of the wire, depressing it by a vertical distance of 4.0cm. What is the magnitude of the tension in the wire?

Homework Equations


W=mg
trignometric functions
W(x) = Wsin(theta)


The Attempt at a Solution


This is off a textbook question, and their answer was 1000N. I got 0.8N =='

I had the following steps:

- tan(θ) = 4/200
- θ = 1.15 degrees.
- W(x) = mgsin(1.15)
(where W(x) was the required component of weight, m = 4.0kg and g = 9.8ms^-2)
- W(x) = 4.0kg x 9.8 x sin(1.15) = 0.8N

What am i doing wrong? :(
Any help is appreciated.
 
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Hi amnestic, welcome to PF.
You have to resolve the tensions into two components.
And mg = 2*T*cosθ, where θ = (90 - 1.15) degrees.
 
Thanks for the reply rl.blat,
two tensions?
I had a triangle, with the opposite as 2m and adjacent as 0.04m

Then I found the angle, which allowed me to find the hypothenuse (which is the "line" of force that I'm after)

I'm not sure what you mean by "mg = 2*T*cosθ" isn't mg = 4.0 x 9.8?

PS: I also changed the angel within the triangle for the working out of this post, as compared to my first post. so its a bit different now.
 
After depression of the wire due to landing of the bird at the mid point, two segments of the wire are stretched producing tension in the segments. In the equilibrium condition, the weight of bird is balanced by the vertical components of the tensions.
So "mg = 2*T*cosθ".
 

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