Finding Tension of a Massless Rope

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The problem involves an archaeologist crossing a rope between two cliffs, where the tension in the rope must be calculated given specific parameters such as the mass of the archaeologist and the angle of the rope. The maximum allowable tension is also provided.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss breaking down the forces into components and question the setup of the equations. There is confusion regarding the acceleration of the man and the implications for the forces in both the x and y directions.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the equations and clarified the conditions of the problem, noting that the man is at rest and that the vertical forces must cancel. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored.

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Participants are grappling with the implications of the man being stationary and how that affects the forces acting on him. There is an ongoing discussion about the correct application of the equations of motion in this context.

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Homework Statement


An adventurous archaeologist crosses between two rock cliffs by slowly going hand-over-hand along a rope stretched between the cliffs. He stops to rest at the middle of the rope. The rope will break if the tension in it exceeds 2.25*10^4N, and our hero's mass is 86.9kg.

If the angle between the rope and the horizontal is θ=11.7°, find the tension, T, in the rope.


Homework Equations



ƩF=ma
ƩFx=max
ƩFy=may

The Attempt at a Solution



All I could think of doing was breaking everything down into components, but I still can't get it right. Since θ is 11.7° below the horizontal (from the x-axis down 11.7°) [I will attach a picture], I took the components of the tension. Doing this, I got Tx=Tcos(11.7) and Ty=Tsin(11.7). Since the man is in the middle of the rope, it would mean that there is an equal vector of Tx and Ty on each side of the man. No matter how I break it up, I get: 2Tx=max and 2Ty-mg=may. No matter how I set up the equations, I am left with 2 unknowns, so I don't know if I am missing something or doing something wrong.
Thanks again in advance.
 

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The man remains at rest, so what is his acceleration? As for the x direction, are the signs of the tension on the left and right the same?
 
That is where I got confused. Taking another look at the problem, I realize that Tx in each direction are the same. Does this mean that: ƩFx=0? If so, in the equation ƩFy=may, does ay=-g?
 
Yosty22 said:
That is where I got confused. Taking another look at the problem, I realize that Tx in each direction are the same. Does this mean that: ƩFx=0?
Yes, obviously, since there is no acceleration.
If so, in the equation ƩFy=may, does ay=-g?
No. Again, there is no acceleration, so the vertical forces must cancel.
 
Your original equation in the y-direction was correct, except that ay=0. So solve for Ty, and then use the trigonometric relation in the y-direction to back out the value of T.

Chet
 

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