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The discussion revolves around a number theory problem concerning divisibility by 3, specifically examining the implications of the condition that 3 divides the sum of squares of two integers.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the implications of the condition 3|x² + z², with attempts to derive conclusions about x and z. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the problem statement and the interpretation of the divisibility condition.

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Some participants have offered guidance on the reasoning process, while others have raised questions about the accuracy of the problem statement and the assumptions made in the solution. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the variables involved.

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There is confusion regarding the variables used in the problem statement, specifically the presence of 'y' and 'z', and whether the condition should involve addition or subtraction of squares. Participants are also considering specific cases to test the validity of the claims made.

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Show that if x, y ∈ Z and 3|x2+z2 then 3|x and 3|z

Solution:

3|(x-z)(x+z)

=> 3|x+z or 3|x-z

if 3|x+z

then 3|(x+z)2 = x2+z2 +2xz

=> 3|x2+z2 +2xz - (x2+z2)

=> 3|2xz

=> 3|xz

so 3|x or 3|z

where to go from here?

just the argument that if 3|x then 3|x2

and therefore 3 must divide z2 => 3|z?

Thanks
 
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That's pretty much it
 
Firepanda said:
Show that if x, y ∈ Z and 3|x2+z2 then 3|x and 3|z

Solution:

3|(x-z)(x+z)

=> 3|x+z or 3|x-z

if 3|x+z

then 3|(x+z)2 = x2+z2 +2xz

=> 3|x2+z2 +2xz - (x2+z2)

=> 3|2xz

=> 3|xz

so 3|x or 3|z

where to go from here?

just the argument that if 3|x then 3|x2

and therefore 3 must divide z2 => 3|z?

Thanks

Is the statement of the problem correct? We see a "y" in the hypothesis, but a "z" in the conclusion. More serious, instead of

3|x2+z2

did you mean

3|x2-z2?

I'm guessing that you meant the latter since your solution starts with

3|(x-z)(x+z)

and (x-z)(x+z) = x2-z2

Finally, you had two cases (3|x+z or 3|x-z), but only addressed the first.

Petek
 
Petek said:
Is the statement of the problem correct? We see a "y" in the hypothesis, but a "z" in the conclusion. More serious, instead of

3|x2+z2

did you mean

3|x2-z2?

I'm guessing that you meant the latter since your solution starts with

3|(x-z)(x+z)

and (x-z)(x+z) = x2-z2

Finally, you had two cases (3|x+z or 3|x-z), but only addressed the first.

Petek

It can't be x^2-z^2. If x=4 and z=2, 3|12, but 3 doesn't divide 4 OR 2. Firepanda should try thinking about what x^2 mod 3 equals.
 
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