Another, use definition as a derivative (as a limit) problem 2

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the function f(x) = x(x + 1) using the limit definition of the derivative. Participants are exploring the correct application of this definition to arrive at the derivative expression 2x + 1.

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  • Participants are attempting to clarify the limit definition of the derivative and its application to the function in question. There are questions about the correctness of initial assumptions regarding the derivative's value, with some expressing confusion about the notation and steps involved in the calculation.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the limit definition of the derivative, with some participants providing corrections and clarifications to earlier misunderstandings. A few participants have successfully arrived at the correct expression for the derivative, while others are still working through the details.

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Some participants are struggling with notation and the proper setup of the limit expression, which has led to confusion in their calculations. There is also a mention of rewriting the function for clarity, indicating that simplification may be necessary for understanding.

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use definition as a derivative (as a limit) to show that

Dx (x(x+1)) = 2x + 1, x [itex]\in[/itex] ℝ

Would I need to find the derivative first?

f'(x) = 2
 
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No, you're supposed to calculate the derivative of x(x+1) using the definition of the derivative.
 
So the derivative of x(x+1) is just 1?
 
No, it is not. Since you are supposed to show (by using the limit definition of the derivative) that the derivative of x(x + 1) = 2x + 1, why would you think that the derivative is 1?
 
Do you know what the definition of derivative (as a limit) is?
 
Is this the definition, Lim h -> 0 [f(a+h) - f(a)] / [f(h)] ?
 
Mark44 said:
No, it is not. Since you are supposed to show (by using the limit definition of the derivative) that the derivative of x(x + 1) = 2x + 1, why would you think that the derivative is 1?

Whoops I meant 2x+1 = 2x^1-1 + 0 = 2
 
CrossFit415 said:
Is this the definition, Lim h -> 0 [f(a+h) - f(a)] / [f(h)] ?
This would give you f'(a). For f'(x), the definition is this limit:
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{f(x + h) - f(x)}{h}[/tex]
 
CrossFit415 said:
Whoops I meant 2x+1 = 2x^1-1 + 0 = 2
2x + 1 ≠ 2x1 - 1.

Note that what you wrote in the middle expression above is interpreted as 2x1 - 1 + 0 = 2x - 1, and that's probably not what you intended. If you have an exponent that is an arithmetic expression, USE PARENTHESES.

Also, in what you wrote, you are apparently taking a derivative, but your notation gives no hint that you're doing this. What you should have written is
d/dx(2x + 1) = 2 + 0 = 2.
 
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CrossFit415 said:
Is this the definition, Lim h -> 0 [f(a+h) - f(a)] / [f(h)] ?
The denominator should be h, not f(h). Mark provided you with the correct definition. So you want to evaluate
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h} = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{[(x+h)((x+h)+1)] - x(x+1)}{h}[/tex]Multiply out the top, cancel terms, simplify, and then take the limit. If you do it correctly, you'll find you end up with 2x+1.
 
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I don't know how but I ended getting (2x-x+1) using the derivative (as a limit) formula.

[itex]\stackrel{Lim}{h→0}[/itex] [itex]\frac{(x^2+2xh+h^2+1)-x(x+1)}{h}[/itex]

[itex]\stackrel{Lim}{h→0}[/itex] (2x-x+1)
 
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CrossFit415 said:
I don't know how but I ended getting (2x-x+1) using the derivative (as a limit) formula.

[itex]\stackrel{Lim}{h→0}[/itex] [itex]\frac{(x^2+2xh+h^2+1)-x(x+1)}{h}[/itex]
What you're starting with is incorrect. It should be
[tex]\lim_{h \to 0}\frac{(x + h)(x + h + 1) - x(x + 1)}{h}[/tex]

It would make life easier if you rewrote x(x + 1) as x2 + x.
CrossFit415 said:
[itex]\stackrel{Lim}{h→0}[/itex] (2x-x+1)
 
  • #13
Ahhh I ended getting 2x+1, thank you.
 

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