Derivative as a Limit: Finding dy/dx for y = √(2x+3)

In summary, using the definition of the derivative, the derivative of ##y=\sqrt{2x+3}## is ##y'=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2x+3}}##.
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Karol
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Homework Statement


Use the definition of the derivative to find dy/dx for ##~y=\sqrt{2x+3}##

Homework Equations


Derivative as a limit:
$$y'=\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+\Delta x)-f(x)}{\Delta x}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}$$
$$=\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sqrt{2x+3+\Delta x}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}$$
The nominator and denominator tend to 0 but i can't find the limit
 
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Have you tried making use of the relation ##(\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b})(\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}) = a-b##?
Karol said:
$$=\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sqrt{2x+3+\Delta x}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}$$
Check again whether you miss any factor in front of ##\Delta x## in the numerator.
 
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Karol said:

Homework Statement


Use the definition of the derivative to find dy/dx for ##~y=\sqrt{2x+3}##

Homework Equations


Derivative as a limit:
$$y'=\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+\Delta x)-f(x)}{\Delta x}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


$$\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}$$
$$=\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sqrt{2x+3+\Delta x}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}$$
The nominator and denominator tend to 0 but i can't find the limit

$$\sqrt{2x+3+2 \Delta x} = \sqrt{2x+3} \sqrt{1 + \frac{2 \Delta x}{2x+3}}.$$
Can you find the behavior of ##\sqrt{1 + h}## or ##\sqrt{1+h} - 1## for small ##h = 2 \Delta x/(2x+3)##?
 
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$$\frac{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x} \cdot \frac{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}+\sqrt{2x+3}}{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}+\sqrt{2x+3}}=\frac{2\Delta x}{\Delta x(\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}+\sqrt{2x+3})}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2x+3}}$$
Ray Vickson said:
Can you find the behavior of ##\sqrt{1 + h}## or ##\sqrt{1+h} - 1## for small ##h = 2 \Delta x/(2x+3)##?
$$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\sqrt{1+h}=1$$
$$=\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sqrt{2x+3+2\Delta x}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{\sqrt{2x+3}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{0}{0}$$
 
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Karol said:
$$\frac{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x} \cdot \frac{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}+\sqrt{2x+3}}{\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}+\sqrt{2x+3}}=\frac{2\Delta x}{\Delta x(\sqrt{2(x+\Delta x)+3}+\sqrt{2x+3})}=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2x+3}}$$

$$\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\sqrt{1+h}=1$$
$$=\lim_{\Delta x\rightarrow 0}\frac{\sqrt{2x+3+2\Delta x}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{\sqrt{2x+3}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{0}{0}$$

Nope: that answer is of no use. By "behavior" for small ##h## I mean: how does ##\sqrt{1+h}-1## approach 0? Does it go to zero like ##a h^{10}## (##a## = constant)? Does it go to zero like ##b h## (##b## = constant)? Does it go to zero like ##c \sqrt{h}?## For small ##h## you need to get some simple function ##f(h) \to 0## in the numerator, so you can see what the ratio ##f(h)/h## looks like for small but non-zero ##h##.
 
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$$\frac{\sqrt{2x+3+2\Delta x}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{ \sqrt{2x+3} \sqrt{1 + \frac{2 \Delta x}{2x+3}}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{\sqrt{2x+3}\left[ \sqrt{1+\frac{2\Delta x}{2x+3}}-1 \right]}{\Delta x}$$
$$=\frac{\sqrt{2x+3}\left[ \sqrt{1+\frac{2\Delta x}{2x+3}}-1 \right]}{\Delta x} \cdot \frac{ \sqrt{1+\frac{2\Delta x}{2x+3}}+1 }{ \sqrt{1+\frac{2\Delta x}{2x+3}}+1 }$$
$$=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2x+3}}$$
 
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Karol said:
$$\frac{\sqrt{2x+3+2\Delta x}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{ \sqrt{2x+3} \sqrt{1 + \frac{2 \Delta x}{2x+3}}-\sqrt{2x+3}}{\Delta x}=\frac{\sqrt{2x+3}\left[ \sqrt{1+\frac{2\Delta x}{2x+3}}-1 \right]}{\Delta x}$$
$$=\frac{\sqrt{2x+3}\left[ \sqrt{1+\frac{2\Delta x}{2x+3}}-1 \right]}{\Delta x} \cdot \frac{ \sqrt{1+\frac{2\Delta x}{2x+3}}+1 }{ \sqrt{1+\frac{2\Delta x}{2x+3}}+1 }$$
$$=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2x+3}}$$
Alternatively:
$$\sqrt{1+h}-1 = \frac{(\sqrt{h+1}-1)(\sqrt{h+1}+1)}{\sqrt{h+1}+1} = \frac{(h+1)-1}{\sqrt{h+1}+1} \approx \frac{h}{2}$$
for small ##|h|##. Thus,
$$f(x+\Delta x)-f(x) \approx \sqrt{2x+3}\frac{1}{2 (2x+3)} 2 \Delta x = \frac{\Delta x}{\sqrt{2x+3}}$$
so ##f'(x) = 1/\sqrt{2x+3}.##
 
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Thank you Ray
 

What is a derivative as a limit?

A derivative as a limit is a mathematical concept that represents the rate of change of a function at a specific point. It is the slope of a tangent line to the graph of the function at that point.

How is a derivative calculated using limits?

The derivative of a function can be calculated by taking the limit of the difference quotient as the change in the input value approaches zero. This process is known as the limit definition of a derivative.

What is the difference between the limit definition and other methods of calculating derivatives?

The limit definition of a derivative is the most fundamental way of calculating derivatives, as it is based on the concept of a limit. Other methods, such as the power rule or product rule, are shortcuts that can be used for certain types of functions.

Can a derivative exist at a discontinuity?

No, a derivative cannot exist at a discontinuity. This is because the derivative represents the slope of a tangent line, and a discontinuity indicates a sharp change in the slope of a function.

Why is the concept of a derivative important in mathematics and science?

The concept of a derivative is important because it allows us to analyze and understand the behavior of functions. It is used in many areas of mathematics and science, including calculus, physics, and economics. It also has practical applications in fields such as engineering and computer science.

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