Another way to extend the Complex Plane (Insertsomethingthatgetsyourattention)

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of extending the complex plane into a third dimension, particularly through the introduction of a new number J that purportedly satisfies the equation Logb(J) = -b for all b. Participants explore the implications of this proposition and its relation to existing number systems like quaternions and octonions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a new number J that satisfies Logb(J) = -b, suggesting it could extend the complex plane.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the proposition, arguing that if J satisfies the equation, it reduces the complex plane rather than extending it due to the equivalence relation b^{-b} = c^{-c} for all complex b and c.
  • A third participant provides a mathematical derivation showing that if Logb is interpreted as the logarithm in base b, then J can be expressed as b^{-b}, which is a complex number if b is complex.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the proposed number J and its relationship to the complex plane. There is no consensus on whether J represents a valid extension or a reduction of the complex plane.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of logarithms and the behavior of complex numbers, which may not be universally accepted. The implications of the proposed equivalence relation and its effects on the structure of the complex plane remain unresolved.

Frogeyedpeas
Messages
80
Reaction score
0
Hey guys so I was thinking about how to extend the Complex Plane out to a third dimension and I started reading the whole tidbit about Quaternions and their mechanics when I realized that I want to propose a whole new question. Now please feel free to prove me wrong if you can answer it because I haven't found a whole lot.

Imagine a number J who satisfies the solution to the following equation

Logb(J) = -b

FOR ALL B:

There is no complex number that satisfies that solution and I believe (as uneducated as I might be in this subject) that there is no Quaternion, Octonion or any type of standard Algebraic extension of the number line that satisfies this equation. If this number J can be proposed as the new number extension to the complex plane, then,

We get numbers being described in the form of:

a + bi + cj. Now keeping in mind the ability for numbers to cross:

a + bi + cj + dji is what this number can look like...

What's your take on it?
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Any replies, opinions, haikus, limericks, epic poetries, hard rock songs, and qwerty-piano recitals would be cool
 
Ok... if by Logb you mean log in the base b, then we have:
log_b(J)=-b
\frac{ln(J)}{ln(b)}=-b
ln(J)=-b ln(b)
J=e^{-b ln(b)}
J=(e^{ln(b)})^{-b}
J=b^{-b}
Which is, at worst, a complex number (if b were complex). If b were real, so is J.
 
If you want a number J to satisfy that equation, you are not extending the complex plane, you are reducing it by the equvalence relation b^{-b} = c^{-c} for all complex b and c. If the function z^{-z} := e^{-z\log(z)} for some branch of the logarithm is surjective, you will have collapsed the complex plane to a single point.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
6K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
1K