Any advice for doing well in thermo?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around challenges faced by a high school senior in a university-level thermodynamics course. Participants share their experiences and seek advice on resources and strategies for understanding the subject, highlighting the difficulties associated with arithmetic and memorization in thermodynamics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with the difficulty of thermodynamics, noting a struggle with arithmetic and rote memorization, and questions their suitability for physics.
  • Another participant shares their own challenges with thermodynamics despite academic success, suggesting that some may find the subject particularly difficult.
  • A suggestion is made to use calculators for arithmetic to alleviate some difficulties, questioning the necessity of rote memorization in the course.
  • Participants discuss different approaches to teaching thermodynamics, mentioning classical thermodynamics versus statistical mechanics and the potential for varying emphases in textbooks.
  • Specific textbooks are recommended, including works by Castellan, Pippard, and Kardar, which are noted for their classical approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that thermodynamics can be a challenging subject, with some expressing that it may not suit everyone. However, there is no consensus on the best approach to learning the material or the necessity of memorization.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying teaching methods and personal experiences, indicating that the effectiveness of resources may depend on individual learning styles and the specific curriculum of the course.

Who May Find This Useful

Students struggling with thermodynamics, educators seeking to understand different teaching approaches, and anyone interested in the challenges of learning complex scientific subjects.

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Hello.

I'm a Senior in high school taking a 200-level thermodynamics course at a local university, and it's turned out to be much more difficult than I had anticipated. I had already taken and done well in quite a few college courses (including double-listed 400/500-level PDEs last year), so I didn't think the difficulty would be an issue. Of course, that's turned out to be completely wrong.

I'm completely horrid at arithmetic and rote memorization, which unfortunately seem to be required for a lot of the problems. I've tried doing lots of exercises to improve my ability in this respect, but it isn't helping. Am I simply not cut out to be a physicist? Are there any resources you might recommend that take a more conceptual approach to the subject?
 
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Hey, welcome to the forum. I don't have any answers for you. I generally made good grades in college (graduated with honors) but thermo was the course I had the most trouble with. It seems that some of us just aren't cut out to learn thermo so do your best and don't let it get you down. Good luck
 
WienerProcess said:
I'm completely horrid at arithmetic and rote memorization, which unfortunately seem to be required for a lot of the problems.

Well, just use a calculator for the arithmetic. I've never had a thermodynamics course which requires much rote memorization - what sort of things do you have to memorize?

Classical thermodynamics is one of the hardest courses, but extremely beautiful as coherent theoretical structure, like relativity. Many physics courses approach it through statistical mechanics, which I find ugly. Some books I like that approach it classically are those by Castellan, Pippard, and Kardar.
 
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Which book are you using? Thermo can be taught using different emphases or conceptual approaches: pure classical thermo versus a statistical-mechanics based approach versus thermo for engineers...
 

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