Any general RC circuit is never underdamped?

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The discussion revolves around the characteristics of general RC circuits, specifically questioning whether they can ever be underdamped. The original poster is exploring this concept in the context of a homework problem and is seeking clarification on the definitions and implications of damping in RC circuits.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

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  • Participants are discussing the definition of "underdamped" and its implications for RC circuits. The original poster attempts to prove the statement through induction but expresses difficulty in formulating the equations for general RC networks. Others suggest that the poles of the transfer function being in the left half-plane indicates a lack of underdamping, while questioning how this applies to general circuits. There is also a discussion about the role of energy storage in oscillation and the necessity of inductors for oscillatory behavior.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and reasoning. Some have offered clarifications on the concept of underdamping and its relation to circuit components, while others are still exploring the mathematical formulation needed to support their claims. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the dialogue appears to be productive.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that a formal definition of underdamped is not provided in the homework context, leading to some ambiguity in the discussion. The original poster also mentions previous answers in the problem indicating that certain example circuits are not underdamped.

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Question: Is a general RC circuit, with any topology of interconnected R and C elements, never underdamped?

This is a bonus question in one of my homeworks. The answers to the earlier questions in the problem indeed show that two example RC circuits are not underdamped.

I understand how one identifies over-damped, critically damped and under-damped for a small circuit, using the Laplace transform on the differential equation. But for any general RC network, I do not know how to write the equations.

I attempted a proof by induction, but dint get far.

Thanks for the help!
 
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What do you mean on "underdamped"?

ehild
 
I have been thinking about it for a while and came up with the following reasoning:

If all the poles of the transfer function (in s-domain) are in the L.H.P. (left half plane, real part < 0), then the system is not underdamped. So what remains is to show it for a general RC circuit. Any ideas?

Thanks!
 
ehild said:
What do you mean on "underdamped"?

ehild

Ehild,

I checked, but we are not given a definition as such of underdamped. But intuitively, afaik, it means a system where the impulse response oscillates rather than moving monotonically. Actually now I am not sure.
 
Well, I also think that you have to prove that an RC circuit can not oscillate by "itself". I think it can be connected with energy storage. If there are both capacitors and inductors in a circuit, the energy stored in a capacitor is stored in the electric field, that in an inductor is stored in the magnetic field, and it oscillates between the two. Resistors only dissipate (consume) energy.
I do not know how to get an exact mathematical proof...
 
Hi Ehild,

Thanks for the reasoning. It really helps a lot. Let me think and see if I can write it out mathematically.
 

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