Any integrating genius? integrate this

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The discussion revolves around the integration of a specific function, with participants exploring various substitution methods and the nature of the integral in question. The subject area is calculus, particularly focusing on integration techniques and the properties of certain functions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss different substitution methods, such as t=e^x and t=e^-z^2, while questioning the effectiveness of these approaches. There is a focus on the application of limits and the relationship to the Gaussian integral. Some participants express skepticism about the ability to solve the integral in terms of elementary functions.

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The discussion is active, with various perspectives being shared. Some participants provide guidance regarding the Gaussian integral and its relevance, while others emphasize the challenges of applying limits and the limitations of elementary functions in expressing the integral. There is no explicit consensus, but multiple interpretations and approaches are being explored.

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Participants mention the importance of limits in the integration process and the potential connection to the Gaussian integral, indicating a need for further exploration of these concepts. There is also a reference to the level of education influencing understanding of the topic.

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this may seem simple, but try doing this yourself. I've tried sustituting t=e^x , e^-x. but the problem lies after that. do it and see it for yourself.
 

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You aren't going to be able to solve this integral in terms of the elementary functions.

Try the substitution t=e-z2.
 
i think u are wrong, this doesn't solve the problem. the problem really lies in applying the limits in the end, not in the substitution.
 
I'd like to elaborate on D H's suggestion a little bit.

You should note that there is an explicit mention of e. Also the possible answers include the square root of pi. Shouldn't that ring a bell?

At least, this depends on your level of education. Try searching for gaussian integral. This might clear some things up for you.

oneomega said:
i think u are wrong, this doesn't solve the problem. the problem really lies in applying the limits in the end, not in the substitution.

It does solve the integral check it. It took me about the size of a postcard and 1 minute to find the answer.
 
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dear jorisL,
I'm not aware of gaussian integral. i'll definitely check it out. but, pls tell me, how did you come to conclusion that it can be solved by gaussian integral.
when DH suggested e^-z^2 . i thoght it just meant i needed to sub t= e^-z^2.
 
oneomega said:
i think u are wrong, this doesn't solve the problem. the problem really lies in applying the limits in the end, not in the substitution.
Sure it does. There is a very simple relationship between the integral you asked about in the original post and the following integral:
\operatorname{erf}(x) \equiv \frac 2 {\sqrt{\pi}} \int_0^x e^{-t^2} dt
In particular, there's a direct relationship between your integral and erf(∞).

Try as hard as you can and you will not be able to express either ##\int e^{-t^2}dt## or ##\int \frac{dt}{\sqrt{-\ln t}}## in terms of the elementary functions. Make all the u-substitutions you can think of. It won't work. Neither ##e^{-t^2}## nor ##\frac 1 {\sqrt{-\ln t}}## are integrable in terms of the elementary functions.

That does not mean these functions don't have an integral. It just means you can't express those integrals in terms of the elementary functions.
 
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